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angelboy

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« on: January 13, 2004, 02:12:54 PM »
I'll try and keep it brief but.....who knows, eh?
 
I've been bedroom bassing for 15yrs now, the main reason is through my previous love of Mark King........there was a time that his style was popular - I learnt it and wisely kept it hidden away from everyone through fear of beatings. I'd been a pro-drummer for the last 6 years and last year decided to plump for bass playing - sick of the drummers jokes I guess. Went out bought a Stingray 4, (am I allowed to say that in here?) Fell in love with the growl and punch it sounds.......well it sounds like a musicman.  
Now, we're getting close to the point........
 
Jaydee Alembic Jaydee Alembic - played a Jaydee when I was a kid and loved it. Played one last week and hated it!!!!  
So, Alembic Alembic Alembic Alembic...........never played one, mainly coz they're rare as rocking horses! But.....(get to the point!).......I really do want to try one....so.....I've just bought a 1997 Series 1....(I'm sure some of you would have been bidding against me for it) but the scary thing is I've never actually held one or even heard one, (unless it's on a later Level 42 record).
So, the questions that I hope you will answer are,
 How different a sound are they from my Stingray?
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Am I stupid?
 
Love Angelboy

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2004, 02:29:13 PM »
way to go Angelboy, you will never be the same!!!
 
and Welcome to the club, and we need to see it!!!!
 
David T (the loud one)

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2004, 02:57:11 PM »
Paul -  
 
It is quite understandable that you would be concerned.  Keep in mind that what you are asking is highly subjective - there is no absolute truth that will satisfy all who ponder that same issue.  Therefore, how you will ulimately feel about it once you have first hand knowledge is dependant on many other factors.  
 
What I (and I am not expert) have found to be the main factors that influence how a bassist with no bias on Alembics (either for or against) responds to them once they do play them is the type of sound that they have become habituated with (ie - the Fender sound, the middle of the road sound, or the quality luthier product lines sound).  Next is the kind of action that they are used to - though Alembic will custom build a neck (along with anything else one desires) to any musician's specs - when a non-Alembic player has his/her first experience playing an Alembic it will not likely be because they custom ordered one - it will be someone else's axe or at the store (off the rack).  Unless they are used to what I would otherwise consider the generic specs (non-custom ordered) for the dimensions of the neck (the thickness, the width at the nut, the width at the 24th fret) etc that are typically supplied by Alembic, they will invariably resort to measuring against what they are used to.  Fender players, or Rickenbacker players (due to the those instruments' neck dimensions) may likely be the ones that have the most difficulty adjusting.  I find the Alembic necks to be very even, not too thin, nor too thick.  It is for this very reason that I had great difficulty when playing Fender & Rickenbacker basses - I did not like the width, and could not adjust well to the disparity in dimensions between the nut and last fret (22 most likely on those basses).  
 
As far as the sound goes - there are those players that I know that are not Alembic fans but like the Alembic action - the reason being that they do not like the Alembic sound.  Many players I know claim that Alembic is too sterile/clean or high tech sounding..... usually hardcore old school Fender players.  There is even an interview with Marcus Miller where he mentioned that he shows up frequently to session(s)to be told that they want him to put that fancy bass down and pull out the old Fender Jazz because 1) that is the sound that many of the older cats associate with the traditional electric bass guitar sound; 2) or (my personal opinion) that it is the sound that many have come to know as the Marcus Miller Signature Sound.  
 
You have heard more Alembics than you probably even know.  Suffice it to say, that unless you are really really narrow in terms of only 2-3 sounds that you want that are usually associated with Fender, Music Man, Ricko-sound, or midrangy active pick-ups (a-la-EMG sound), then you are likely to be very pleasantly surprised that even the most basic electronics set-up that Alembic offers far supercedes the useful range of tonal possibilites offered by all other manufacturers -  
 
I am not a good candidate to address how to measure the sound of Alembics as weighed against the sound of a Stingray - as I do not feel that the Stingray sound is the benchmark for comparison or that it establishes the ideal tone that all others need to be compared against.  
 
Today you may want to drive the Ferrari or Lamborghini (the Alembic) - tomorrow you may want to drive the Cobra or the Mustang (Fender & the like).  It's all about - if it gets you off when you play it, chances are people will hear your pleasure in your playing.  
 
 
 
 
(Message edited by kayo on January 13, 2004)

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2004, 03:14:03 PM »
Welcome-welcome Brother Paul the balled one1
(it IS time we get this Paul circus on th eroad somehow, no???).
I think Musicman Stingrays are good basses, truly. Brother Werner plays Stingray AND ALembic Mark King signature so he would be the perfect brother to say something senseful, but knowing him even HE will be carefull.
It depends on what you want to do with that low frequencies producing instrument.
Are you of the nice-I'm-sounding-low-and-they-seem-to-cope-with-the-beat (which means no offence) even a Music-man Stringray will be an overkill. The placement of the PU gives a typical mid-growl that is very fashionable these days. For a simple Bom I suggest a Prlwtzksfsky-bass or something (I do a great bomming with my Squier).
However.
If you like to take some soundshaping control and estend your abilities in that part -what will always be hated by sound-engineers because you're doing part of their jogb with your bass- I think you took a great decision and Brother DAvid is right if he says we are all anxious to hear from your experiences.
Playing Alembic is playing with choices not THAT OR THAT but merely THAT AND THAT ...AND MAYBE THAT TOO !
Get it !???
 
 
Paul the bad one

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2004, 03:29:11 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  What's a Jaydee?
Never heard or held an Alembic and you buy a Series 1?  Way to jump in with both feet.  Congratulations!  You will love it.  As mentioned earlier the tonal possibilites are wide.  A lot depends on your amp though.
You know of course that photos are mandatory.  We get a lot of vacarious satisfaction from seeing others' Alembics.
 
Brother Paul TBO, it seems our UK chapter is catching up to the Belgian chapter.
 
What do you call someone who likes to hang around with musicians?  
A drummer!
Sorry couldn't help it.
 
Sam

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2004, 04:15:41 PM »
I have an alembic SC Deluxe and a musicman Sterling which I've had for about two and a half years. Of the two I have to say that I do prefer the sound of the Alembic which I use exclusively live and use the sterling just for rehearsals. I find the Sterling is an excellent bass and the narrow maple neck is very responsive easy to play at the nut.  
 
I've had the alembic for about a year and a half now. I used to love the sound of the Sterling and it does have that really loud crisp biting tone that is synonymous with the Fender Jazz bass and the stingray.  
 
However i do find that I can a better representation of those sounds and much more on the alembic  but they are far more musical and cleaner and less harsh.  
 
As for the hi-fi sound.  I do love that and they do stand out for the clarity without being in-your face tonally.  I think you  will love the series bass.  
 
oh heres a drummer Joke.(q)  What is the difference between an Drummer and a Drum Machine?
 
 (a) You only have to punch the instructions in to the drum machine once..... :-)
 
sorry I couldn't resist that one....
The sound of Alembic is medicine for the soul!
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_ktwins.html

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2004, 04:38:11 PM »
You will find that you can't cheat on an Alembic! The sound is a direct and complete representation of your technique. Garbage in---garbage out. You can dial in a sound that may have the same signature as another bass in relative terms, but the touch and feel of your hands will come through. I just purchased (with Mica's and Susan's helpful suggestion) my 10th Alembic. I will someday get to join the series 2 club. But each one gives me great pleasure. 4,5,6,7,str  30,32,34 scale deluxe, set neck MXY, AXY, Fatboy, wide, narrow, inlays or no, they never disappoint and deliver great tone. They record great, look great, feel great and are a great source of conversation.
Just like a jazz kit and rock kit serve different masters, each one seems a bit out of place in the other's arena. The Alembic will find a home (apart from looks) what ever you are playing. Congratulations! Balls...definitely balls!
Danno

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2004, 09:53:32 PM »
Hi Paul, and congratulations.  Did you buy the '97 Series I with the quilted Maple top and back?  If so, that's a very beautiful bass.
 
To address your question about comparing a Series I to a Stingray, Kayo's Ferrari/Mustang analogy is a good starting point.  I'm guessing you will find the difference pretty amazing.  It will probably take some getting used to; lots of playing with the controls.  Once you get the bass, if you have any questions, like what the controls do, just post and someone will probably be around to answer.
 
Kayo; is that Marcus Miller interview on-line?

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2004, 11:37:28 PM »
Brother Sam,
 
a Jaydee was the bass where Mark King started it's career with: the Jaydee supernatural. VERY nice basses, UK-made. Brother Roger -you know him, the dragonman- used to have one. Because the neck-through construction, the wooden PU's housing (electronics were made by Jaydee themselves), the fancy looks, those basses were often compared with Alembics.
 
Paul the bad one
 
Oh ...Jaydee stands for the letters J and D and the initials of the builder which I forget.

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2004, 02:08:20 AM »
welcome to the club
 
you will not regret your purchase alembics are amazing Muusicman are great bassesv but i think you will find quickly that your usicman can produce a great tone but is limited and your alembic will do anything you want it to  
good luck with your bass i have no doubt you will be more pleased with it than you can imagine
andrew

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2004, 02:55:25 AM »
Yes, I used to have a JayDee Supernatural Mark King. JayDees are built in Birmingham, UK.
 
I played a 1986 model that was used in a shop in 1989, it played every bit as well as the Alembic Series I that I played in 1993, even though the sound wasn't as good. The JayDee that I ordered and took delivery of in 1990 was never anything like the one I played, the Series I or my 4001. It was a constant disappointment.  No real sustain and the sound was fairly poor.  Nowhere near as good as a lot of things I have played in fact, and no matter how many times it was adjusted/tinkered with, it was never a great bass.  It languished in its case for years and I sold it last year, having given-up on it. The one thing I really did like about it though were the wood pick-up covers!
 
All of this is my own opinion based on experience of course. I'm sure, like everything else, there are great and poor examples of the breed. It's not fair to compare them to Alembics though, there is an awfully large difference in price and therefore expectation. I think it was when I played the Series I that it reminded me of what the used JayDee was like and what mine should have been like. If my JayDee had been like the used one, I wouldn't be in here today I suspect. So I'm glad it was poor, especially considering what I have waiting for me!!!!!
 
JayDee is long-hand for JD which are the initials of John Diggins.
 
I hope this inane whittering helps someone, somewhere...
 
Cheers,
 
Rog

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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2004, 03:30:45 AM »
Well......you've all made me feel much much better now and I feel.......sob.....at home!!!
I think I've made a good call!
 
JD.......yes I think to satisfy my chilhood dream I will eventually get one........but it stays in the bedroom like the dirty whore it is!!!
 
davehouck: Yes the one from ebay. You know how it is with ebay, everyone waits until the last few seconds to bid and I've lost out on loads of stuff that way.So this time I though I'd just do it and worry about it later........they even knocked me $300 off the price and told me it has the rack mount power pack...............Which reminds me...........
 
What do I need the power pack for........wait hang on.......I still play dem drums sir! I can just plug straight into my amp, yes? I havn't bought one of those fancy watches that tells the time in 76 different countries but the batteries are as big a suitcase....have I?!?!?
 
All: Yes, I will have great pleasure in posting some photos as soon as I can work out how to get the bass!!!! Do you know, it's cheaper for me to fly from London to Seattle, pick up the bass, and fly directly back than it is for shipping!!! Bah! Mind you, I think I'd end up with a 'gloved hand up my arse, (ass.......wink!), if customs see me walking past and a few hours later walking past 'em again!...........I could always tell 'em 'I'm just nipping back, I forgot something.'
 
 

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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2004, 03:43:02 AM »
Yes you can plug straight into the amp.  The series 1 electronics are so powerful (maybe the wrong word) that you'll go through 9V batteries about every other measure.  Hence the external power supply.  Look on the pictures from ebay.  See the five prong connector right above the 1/4 jack?  That's for the power supply.  
I've never had one but those that do don't seem to be bothered by it.
 
Sam

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2004, 05:42:42 AM »
angelboy
my first quality bass, (the one i got after the ten dollar  one), was a music man sabre which is more rare than a stingray but because of the extra pick up has more tone options. then i got my first alembic in 1983 and the sabre got a very long vacation. i also have a five string stingray which is great for rock and with a basslines preamp and pick up i added will knock the walls down. but it also seems to stay in the case most of the time. its not that music man basses are not good its just that alembics are so much better. i also have two fender jazz basses and they spend alot of time hanging out with the sabre & stingray and most of the time i play my Europa which is the best bass i ever picked up. so i think you will be quite pleased with your new purchase and lets see some pictures. congratulations and welcome to the club

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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2004, 05:49:06 AM »
Just a footnote on Jaydee. The builder, John Diggins was originally the partner of John Birch( Sabbaths guitars etc)