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alemboid

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2004, 09:05:22 AM »
...so, even though I use Alembic basses for their tone and playability, I would jump on the opportunity to play the right jazz bass or stingray, as I find their tones appealing, too (think Jaco, Marcus Miller, Old Brothers Johnson, old Flea). There is nothing wrong with these basses, and due to less strict quality control than Alembic, some amazing pieces and some dogs got out from Fender & others. I feel Yamaha makes outstanding basses. So does Sadowsky and Warwick. I would gladly play a fine instrument, but know now that I can rely on Alembic to get it right- always. I plan on getting another Sadowsky, and at the same time I'm going to install Alembic guts for a clearer and more defined sound. It's because I love the J bass shape and I know Sadowsky can build one right.  
 
Most endorsement deals include an instrument(s), support (tech help), and signing an exclusivity agreement. They may do a custom build for you, too- and they will reserve the right to advertise the heck out of you and your bass so others will think that they will sound just like you if they buy that bass/ sig. model. After all, isn't that what happened when everyone bought the Fender Marcus Miller model? Marcus couldn't find work, because there were thousands of people that sounded just like him and worked for less ;-)
 
Rarely will a company pay and provide an instrument when endorsing someone.  
 
In the end, I guess it comes down to whether or not a musician sticks with what they truly love, and how can they if they're not sure what it is they like?
 
Bryant

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2004, 04:50:31 PM »
Why compromise... get one of these Fenderlembics. It's like a P-bass on steroids! Leo would have had a big smile if he heard the tone on this one. Frank  

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2004, 08:16:16 PM »
What kind of break would suit you?

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2004, 02:11:38 AM »
Hey frank that bass looks great!!what tone controls does it have?i play Fender and Alembics,and for me it really doesn't matter what it is as long as it does what i want,it's a tool for me,nothing more.

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2004, 07:34:25 AM »
Hello everyone,
Interesting discussion.
As a professional bassplayer I think that developing a personality is more important then the bass you're playing on.  
I've been using Alembics for about 15 years now and they are great for me but for somebody else not. So we got taste as an influence,play ability and your financial status.
Leo Fender kicked in a door for us bassplayers and technology goes further. Meanwhile we land on Mars and let a robot car explore the unknown. My point is that the evolution of the bassguitar is going further and further also.
If somebody really digs a Fender from the mid sixties so be it. Personally it's nothing for me.
Fender is indeed marketing. I've turned them down as they made me an offer. But we all buy shoes we fit right? At least I do.
 
 

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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2004, 08:09:09 PM »
basso... it has Essence electronics. Volume, pan and Q (tone). Also, it is a short scale.
 
I agree with the fact that they are a tool for creating music, but I like that the Alembics add another dimension by being as much a work of art to look at as they are to create music on. It adds an another dimension to playing live too. I ALWAYS get compliments and questions on my Alembics from other musicians and the audience. Not so much on my other basses past or present.

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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2004, 09:59:04 PM »
Frank:  Your bass looks even better being played than it did in the first pictures.  Is that neck tapered (widest at the heel, narrowest at the nut)or is it the standard Alembic neck (almost no taper)?  It looks mighty slim from the picture.  My preference, exactly (short fingers).
 
Anyway - it looks really cool!
 
Bill
 
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2004, 08:30:29 AM »
I'm obviously getting into this discussion late.  It looks like Jeff's original message was censored but I think I get the whole jist of the conversation.  
 
This is not a  defense on my behalf believe me, I just feel that I should speak my peace.
 
Brother Paul, I do agree with you about what you said about cheap replicas of  signature models.  That to me only bastardizes the name of the player and the company.  The obvious exception of  course being the SC or MK signature models, there's nothing cheap there.
 
 
I too am an endorser for lack of a better word for another bass company...so what!!!  When I signed on with (oh heck it's no secret) Warwick, it was more so because they are also friends of mine and they were offering me a job as a clinician for their basses.  Yeah, I'm not a big rock star so the extra income was well received.  Would I have done the same thing for Alembic?  You bet your sweet petuties!!!!!  And you know what, in a lot of ways I do promote Alembic as well.  Whenever I go into a store to do a clinic, if there is an Alembic on the wall, that's usually the first bass I go to.  And I make damn sure that it's well set up and clean.  And I ALWAYS explain to the sales guys that yes, even though I work for and play Warwick, my old faithful is a 91 Alembic Elan and a fretless Orion and I do have what I would like to consider a fantastic relationship with the Alembic Family... you all being included.
 
Now one thing that I would also like to explain is that my relationship with Alembic is no secret to the folks at Warwick either.  They realize that's how it is with me and that's how it will stay.  And, if it someday has to change then maybe I'll be looking for another job.  
 
Now as far as being a professional player, there are times when I am requested to bring a Fender with flatwounds.  Do I always like being told what instrument to play?  No!!!  But when the person writing the check at the end of the session or gig is insistent, you sort of have to respect their wishes.  
 
Now with that being said, I still bring my Alembics and W's because you never know, they may just listen and go, Hey, that's the sound I'm looking for on this particular thing.  It's my job as a bass player to suggest other alternatives, if I didn't, I wouldn't be doing my job.
Just like any craftsman though, you have to use the tool that's appropriate for the job at hand.  Most of the time that can be done with just one bass, yep, you guessed it!  But, sometimes it calls for something more specific.  I'm sorry but only a P Bass can truely sound like a P Bass.  I can get my Orion pretty close but it's not exact.  That can be a good thing and a bad thing too. HA!!!!  And yes sometimes it is a visual thing where they just want to see a Fender on stage.  That's where I really have to draw the line.  First of all if it's a visual thing, then why are you hiring my ugly mug!?!?!
 
Do I love my Alembics? YES!  Do I love my Warwicks? YES!  Do I Iove my Fender? YES!  Does this make me a traitor?  NO!!!  I'm a musician that makes his living playing bass for other people.  90% of the time it's my Elan that goes in the gig bag first though.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again....
Nobody ever told a poor little kid from Liverpool that he'd never be able to write some of the best rock bass lines on a crappy little Hofner.  -remember its the player that makes the instrument.
Now lets get back to making music!!!
 
Peace,
Dino(bptfo/tafkad)

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2004, 09:01:34 AM »
Well said!

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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2004, 04:02:18 PM »
Can I hear an Amen!

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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2004, 04:27:35 PM »
amen-
the post wasnt censored- i pulled it after some crybaby said the f word was inappropriate amongst adults

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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2004, 05:01:19 PM »
Flax, This is just an observation, almost 15,000
posts at this site and I think that was the first use of the f-word. As they say on Monday Night Football,  you be the judge. I don't think anyone here is judging, just adding their 2 bits.
Kenn R.

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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2004, 05:15:19 PM »
>>>>>First of all if it's a visual thing, then why are you hiring my ugly mug!?!?!  
 
Your a pretty boy at heart, Dean!!!!! Just look at that picture of you in the odd-signatures book....  ;*)
 
It's been a while.... how's things in your neck of the woods?!?  I still have the BSX, mucho gracias.....  I also owe you a thanks for greasing the wheels in my noggin (my first Alembic is on order~  time to replace that Jerry Jones w/ a real 30 six string!!).....  
 
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2004, 06:02:58 PM »
Flax,
 
Right on! If you're moved to profanity, so be it. This is America (Alembica?, LOL!) so exercise them Constitutional rights, Bro.
 
More importantly, post those pix of Tuna and Jerry (Vassar, Grisman and Kahn too)! The Capitol was a great place in a horrible neighborhood....I saw some decent shows there incl. JGB w/Robt. Hunter back in the day.

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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2004, 07:37:27 PM »
Bassman, it is the standard neck...slight taper. It must be the picture angle. My Essence has the custom tapered version. Very slim. Strange but I don't find the wider neck an issue at all. It seems that the main thing for my left hand geometry is that they are both short scales. The fret-to-fret reach above the 5th fret is my issue and the short scale fixed that problem. Thanks for the nice words. I am liking this bass more every time I play it. Frank
 
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