Author Topic: Greatful dead and phish (Read 1052 times)

dadabass2001 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:15:59 AM »

Eurpoe 72 is now available as a two CD set. Also, you might want to check the old double album known as Skull & Roses. It's available as a single CD and contains a shortened Playing In The Band (in 10), Bertha, The Other One, Wharf Rat, and Not Fade Away / Going Down The Road, Feeling Bad plus other great tracks.
Mike

dadabass2001 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:28:48 AM »

Hey Bill,
I'd love to see you and your senior management at the show. Current plans call for two LOOONGGG sets, culled from 70s repertory: Birdsong, Playin, etc.

Hollis, we don't do Stella (Could anybody sing it like Jerry?) but we'll be tapping into Terrapin Station up to Terrapin Transit.
Mike

David Houck · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2004, 06:11:32 AM »

I agree with Bill that Europe 72 would probably be a good first choice for someone who's never heard the Dead.

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gbarchus · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:43:32 AM »

I agree, Europe '72 is agood representation, but don't forget American Beauty and Workingman's Dead, my favorites.

Gale

goatfoot · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:58:39 AM »

Great thread.

I got into the Dead after buying my first Alembic. And the music of the Dead introduced me to Phish and other great jam bands (SCI, WSP, Gov't Mule, etc.) and online music trading.

Now I have over 250 Dead shows and over 2000 other live recordings. I just got a Jefferson Airplane show from '69 in the mail yesterday. Can't wait to listen to it.

Andrew: shoot me an email with your address and I'll send you a recording of a '72 show. But still go out and buy some of their studio work.

Kevin

mica · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2004, 10:48:36 AM »

I use Live Dead as my reference CD. It's my favorite Dead album. Now I gotta go put it on!

Many moons ago, Phish had a nice Essence 5 string bass, not sure if Mike still has it or not.

Live recordings are usually the ones I like best. There's something magic when you know that what you're hearing actually happened all at the same time.

bsee · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2004, 11:07:00 AM »

There are things that happen when capable musicians play off of each other that will never happen in a studio setting. The music always has the potential to go someplace it hasn't been before.

I played in a band for ten years that never rehearsed after the first year or two. We picked up new tunes on the fly at our two gigs a month, and everything was always fresh because you never really knew where it would end up. There's so much more energy in that than playing the same song the same way every time. I can't imagine sitting down to my sixth consecutive take of some song in a studio setting and maintaining that same intensity level.

bassman10096 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2004, 11:52:05 AM »

I struggled with what one album to recommend to Andrew and considered every other suggestion people have made since (plus a few others). If you are up for a second recommendation, I'd go with Mike on Skull and Roses in a heartbeat. The medley (? interconected sequence?) of Not Fade Away/Goin' Down the Road is a fantastic example of the Dead's incredible ability as arrangers and jamsters (two sometimes opposite concepts they blend very well). Their propensity to connect strings of songs as a single piece (more dramatic than its individual elements) is pretty unique. I agree with Mike's assessment on the other good songs from the album, too.

Bill

hollis · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:16:46 PM »

Hi Bob,
I guess that's why they call it work....

I get enough of that with my day job!

I wouldn't know what to do if I was supposed to play the same lick the same way over and over and over... Must be why I don't play like that... It's all about the moment for me as well.....

I saw the Grateful Dead for the first time in 1968 in San Francisco...A night I'll never remember!

The next time I got to see them was in LA in the early 70's '73 maybe? Might have been early '74..It's all kind of a blurr.

It was at the Universal Ampitheater... All's I know is that the sound system was as tall as the cheap seats... The best sounding concert I had ever been to... After that I was hooked. There was a show at UC Santa Barbara... Full wall of sound.... Just looking at the sound system was always well worth the price of admission! The sound was so pure... a very nice day was had by all. Bob Weir put it very well when he said I'd like to thank God for the light show....etc., etc.....

Mike, I'm not really sure that anyone could sing any of Jerry's songs quite like Jerry...He really brought Robert Hunter's words to life...I don't even try.... I just sing them like the part of me that they truly are..... Have fun at the show!

Mica, Live Dead is one of my favorites! Think I'll go put it on too.....

pace · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:20:43 PM »

To what extent was Alembic involved w/ building speaker cabinets & what-not back in the day?!?!?! I sat down w/ Buddy Cage on Monday & he's still using a 2-12 cab from the wall of sound and a chopped twin reverb 'head' that Dan Healy built..... I asked if Alembic had anything to do w/ the cab and he was quick to reply no, Bear built 'em in our rehearsal space~ he did all the cabinets for the wall there...... I know that a lot of the cabs that were tailored for their needs throughout the years are referred to as Hard Trucker, and there's probably a lot of grey area as far as who did what where, and was affiliated with w/ whatever company...... Does anyone care to elaborate, or share what they know?!?!?

http://archive.org has been adding complete years of Dead shows to their database for the past month now..... Some real goodies like 1974, 1977, 1969, etc, etc are up and available in a variety of formats (streaming, mp3, shn)..... check it out~ a lot of treasures waiting for you to discover.....

I would love to see a modern day take on Phil's Godfather~ 100% Alembic from scratch!!!

mint_bass · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2004, 03:48:05 AM »

hi thanks for all the info and recomedations i will try to get down to a record store today and see what i can find and thanks alot for the offer Kevin but i live in the uk and would this not cost you a lot in shipping but thanks anyway

andrew

jseitang · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:12:05 AM »

pace speaking of godfather, i was talking to mica about my next bass, i call the godfather part II
its basically going to be a modern updated version of the famous godfather.....!

pace · « **Reply #27 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:31:01 AM »

lol Jimmy.... in all honesty that has to be my all time favorite sounding bass. I have a short scale EBO w/ flatwounds which I used to think came close to that sound, but the more I listen to Phil (thank god for shn vines~ my tapes were getting warped) I realize how complex the timbre of that bass was......

Let me know how the GFII two comes along. I might have to finish the trilogy!!!!!

zappahead · « **Reply #28 on:** May 16, 2004, 07:20:53 PM »

The Dead were a real renaissance band. They had some peaks and valleys, but they saved a lot of their best music till late in their careers. The shows I saw, quite a few, in the 90s were very good. I was a real bugger on the tours to a lot of the deadheads because I stubbornly prefer the later version of the band with Brent and later with Hornsby to many of the other line ups and eras.

I think its also worth noting that the Garcia Band played really well and toured quite a bit in this time too. I think the few Garcia Band CDs that feature his later tours are all very good. For the real best of the 90s Dead your best bet is that site that was linked earlier, thats a fantastic site.

kmh364 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2004, 04:53:42 PM »

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