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jazzyvee

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Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« on: September 06, 2025, 04:46:31 AM »

:-)https://turkowiakguitars.com/innovations/acoustic-tubes/


Interesting, though I can't see that appearing on an alembic acoustic anytime soon.
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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2025, 06:51:09 AM »
Someone on another site I read has one of their guitars; it's a beautiful guitar and he loves playing it.

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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2025, 07:21:53 AM »
It is interesting. I'm not quite sure how a reduction in mass increases sustain. I'm open to the possibility, and with the disclaimer I have no background in physics, but this runs somewhat counter to my understanding of how it works. Put an ordinary C-clamp on any guitar headstock, (or any other stringed instrument) instantly adding mass. You will notice a significant increase in sustain. So much that it becomes awkward to manage actually. So this is a different take; kind of a set of resonant chambers along the length of the neck, and that would certainly make some difference in how the vibration traveled. Maybe it's a sophisticated way of tuning the sustain? I recently auditioned a guitar with a 'floating' fingerboard extension that impressed me. That was a soundboard being allowed to vibrate more freely though. This is a little tougher sell, at least in the rewards/efforts category.

I would like to try one, and I do enjoy seeing someone put their head into innovative ideas on older designs. The steel-string guitar has been around for a good 100 years now... might as well try some stuff.

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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2025, 08:44:30 AM »
Can't disagree with anything Greg said.
Also, a couple things caught my eye, to wit:

"A guitar’s sustain with Acoustic Tubes is up to 20% longer*
*compared to the same exact neck made in a traditional way"



Show of hands:  How many think that, working with an organic material like wood, "the same exact neck" is even a possibility?  Any 2 wood necks will be different, so how can you measure what, if any, effect the holes have?

"Better sound transmission
Thanks to the use of specialist material sound transmission from the nut to the guitar body is much faster"

First, what the heck does "specialist materials" mean?  The neck in the pic sure looks like maple to me.
Second, logic would dictate that open spaces would slow transmission, not speed it.
Third, sound does not travel down the neck anyway; that would be vibration - it isn't sound until the top activates the resonant chamber of the body.  Which leads me to the fact that the sound of an acoustic guitar does not come from the nut; the speed of transmission even of vibration down the neck is, I think, a nonfactor, as the actual sound comes from the strings passing vibration to the saddle, thus to the bridge, and thus vibrating the top - which vibrates the air inside, which is the sound.


It's interesting, and I'd like to play one to see what I think with it in hand - but by their description, I tend to think this one can be filed under "guitar players will buy anything" (though usually that only applies to gadgets; when it comes to our instruments, we tend to be the most conservative people on Earth - thus the 3 best-selling electric guitars having been introduced in 1949, 1952, and 1954, and the dominant design ideas in acoustics being settled between 1850 & 1935........)


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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2025, 10:42:48 AM »
The Hoyer Fantastic had tubes in the body.

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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2025, 12:41:36 PM »
The Hoyer Fantastic had tubes in the body.


An aptly named guitar, if ever one was! (Fantastic being an extension of Fantasy...)


Wow. There can't be many of those. (?)

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Re: Acoustic tubes in a guitar neck... What next?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2025, 08:34:07 PM »
That Hoyer IS something...A luthier friend of mine told me about something he didn't realize for years; even the glue affects the sound, and profoundly; he compared body, bridge and bracing glued with regular modern glue and hide glue and he said the sound was night and day different, and far better with hide glue- thing is, all the stuff affects the tone...the c-clamp increases mass at the headstock, reducing the dissipation of vibrating energy there as the string energy can't move the mass...in the case of the neck tubes, if they were some really rigid carbon tubes or so, they would be a small resonant chamber and reduce the dissipation of energy in the neck, maybe? I'm not an engineer, only did first year, so maybe someone more educated on here can put forward a better explanation...