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garyhead

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F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« on: April 08, 2025, 03:37:05 PM »
Didn't quite know where to put this thread so its here.  I recall past discussions of this topic and even found theoretical threads in my search.
I'm setting up a Stereo rig for my Series 1.  Currently an F-2B to the ELF Processor then to the Stewart Power amps.  I have just purchased a second F-1X so I can do an A / B comparison of the preamps.  The new component is the ELF M-1 processor set up for stereo.  There is an SF-2 here too but I will leave it out at this time.  There's lots of good info on the Alembic website regarding the characteristics of these preamps but I hope to actually "hear" the differences.
If any of you have experience A / B 'ing these pre's, you opinions would be most welcome.  Thank's RV for the reasonably priced F-1X.  This is my second purchase from a fellow club member and I hope to do more in the future.
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2025, 11:31:45 PM »
Here ya' go Gary... one of our Club Members [Picure] made a nice recorded comparison between the two units using his Series 1.5 bass.


https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25102.0

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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2025, 09:44:06 AM »
Thanks for the link Greg.  I somehow knew you would have that in your noggin'.  ;D It's a great place to start.  But I think this test was done in mono, not stereo.Years ago I had to send in my F-2B to the mothership.  Microphonic problems.  I don't recall the details but Ron fixed it so I at least know my F-2B is factory spec.  The 2nd F-X1 will be in the mail shortly and it looks like the serial # is close to my F-X1 in the rack.  I'll pop both of these open to inspect the tubes to see if they match.  I bought my F-X1, F-2B & SF2 used so unsure if stock.The F-2B has an additional unlabeled output.....I'm sending that signal to the tuner.
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2025, 09:58:09 AM »
I mostly remember it because that particular bass is just a couple numbers away from my other Series bass (and your doubleneck, for that matter... ) of course his is on the other side of the world from me. Mine is only on the other side of the continental U.S. 😄 If he sees your thread, Jack [Picure] may chime in here.


I'm interested in what your findings are... I have two F-1X units, and an F-2B, but I prefer to use the F-1X's separately in mono applications for live gigs. My F-2B lives in the living room rig, racked up with a DS-5R and SF-2. I've got it set up so I can enjoy my old Series I in true stereo, but can quickly switch it to mono for the non-Series basses.

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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2025, 12:49:23 PM »
The stereo experiment is mainly for the Series 1 but the two Spyders can also run in Stereo. I’m a bit curious how the 8-string sounds.  8)   ;D
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2025, 02:16:00 PM »
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The stereo experiment is mainly for the Series 1 but the two Spyders can also run in Stereo. I’m a bit curious how the 8-string sounds.  8)   ;D

well you should definitely try that out imho.  i know a guy who made me some stereo TRS to 5-pin adaptors.  you need something like the top one.   8)
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2025, 02:16:54 PM »
oops forgot the attachmnet
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2025, 06:20:22 AM »
Well, I have an original Rick-O-Sound breakout box for the Spyders.
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2025, 06:22:09 AM »
RV's F-1X arrived in bubble wrap yesterday.  Was this gem ever used?  It looks brand new!  As soon as I find a power cord for it I'll rack it up.
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04SY13333  Spyder 4 V headstock (#25)
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2025, 12:12:01 PM »
Gary, glad it arrived safely.  Sorry about the power cord, I forgot to put it in the box.  I will get that in the mail to you tomorrow. Thanks.

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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2025, 09:51:37 AM »
Gary,  I just sent it priority mail, you should receive it on Saturday.  Thanks! Rob

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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2025, 10:07:32 AM »
It's arriving TODAY (Friday)  That's like overnighting it!   Thanks.
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2025, 02:45:07 PM »
Rob doesn't mess around. 😎

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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2025, 03:49:53 PM »
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Rob doesn't mess around. 😎
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Re: F-2B vs. 2 F-1X Pre Amps Practical Evaluation
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2025, 05:39:39 PM »
Yes. He’s gone up and above!  I’m sure after 50 years of packratting gear, I have a spare power cord.   However, when resurrecting my SF-2 last year….i couldn’t find the power supply. Luckily the FAQ section on the Alembic Club directed me to a generic supply from Amazon. 
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801662 - LEVIATHAN Series 1 4+6 Doubleneck
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01OW12582  Orion 6 fretless (Rouge Electronics)
04SY13333  Spyder 4 V headstock (#25)
02SY12927  Spyder 8 (#02)
96CB9610  Classico Deluxe 6 (The only 1)
F-1X, F-2B, SF-2, M1, M2 ELF