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Steve in Florida

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Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« on: October 19, 2024, 12:20:27 PM »
Hi!

I just bought this bass.  I think it's gorgeous! 

It's my first Series bass!  It's in pretty darn good condition!  Its serial number 80 1664.

I haven't even plugged it in yet!  But I'm excited to get your insights about it.  I assume it's either:

1) a Series I... with an added master volume.  Or
2) a Series II, with switches instead of knobs.

Anyone ever seen this setup before?  How would Alembic describe this setup?

It is missing the brass truss rod cover.  Will Alembic sell a replacement?

Thanks in advance for sharing in my excitement!

Steve



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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2024, 12:42:03 PM »
It's Series I with added master volume, Series II four string bass would have 3 Purpleheart neck lams.
Master volume is a great addition, I added one on a '79 Series I bass I had for a while. :-)
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2024, 03:11:59 PM »
I also had a master volume added to my 78 Series bass IMO very useful "upgrade".

Enjoy your new bass and play it in good health!

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2024, 03:59:35 PM »
It's Series I with added master volume, Series II four string bass would have 3 Purpleheart neck lams.
Master volume is a great addition, I added one on a '79 Series I bass I had for a while. :-)
did you get a mod kit for the master volume addition?
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2024, 04:59:25 PM »
My Series bass 80-1684 (not very far from yours, sequentially...) also had a master volume installed. I sent it out to Alembic for an upgrade from Q-switches to CVQ's for the full Series II effect. Also had some RF upgrades performed on it and the pickups replaced.

*Alembic can probably make you a truss rod cover, but they weren't recessed back then, just surface-mounted. If you are handy at all, not difficult to make one.
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2024, 05:06:17 PM »
did you get a mod kit for the master volume addition?

IIrc it was pretty simple, just a volume knob (double pot) between the pickup switch and output.
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2024, 06:12:16 PM »
Beautiful bass, congratulations!

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2024, 03:15:18 PM »
Thank you everyone for the kind words!

I will make my own truss rod cover.  Thanks Edward!

Fortunately, after adjusting the trim pots for hum cancellation, I don't think I will NEED the electronics "upgrade".  At least not based on the one room I tested it in.

I was a bit surprised that, when using the DS-5 "mono" out, it sounds like the signal combines the two pickups in SERIES in the "middle" pickup position.  In most guitars when you combine the neck and bridge pickup the signal is in PARALLEL.  That's fine, I just didn't expect it.

Thanks again for the kind words and the suggestions!

Steve

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2024, 10:51:02 PM »
Hey Steve,

Not every instrument needs the "upgrade".  Our big single-coil pickups "hear" a wide audio spectrum, which is why the sound is so massive.  But because the hum-cancelling coil is physically a couple inches from each pickup, sometimes there is some RF or hum that gets through the cancelling network.  For many years we all learned to live with the understanding that in some locations we might need to stand in a certain direction to keep the noise floor down. :) 

Then our resident Wizard Ron Wickersham came up with a way to fine tune each individual preamp board (in each individual instrument) reducing the noise floor considerably.  But as I say, not every bass needs the tweak.  If noise becomes an issue for you then consider getting on the wait list for that mod.

Regarding the DS-5's mono output... The furthest counter-clockwise position of the pickup selector should be "mute".  Next position is Bridge pickup only, then Both, then Neck pickup only.  The "Both" position should be an additive sound, simply a sum of the outputs of the two pickups.  If your "Both" position has an odd hollow sound to it, it's possible one of your pickups has been plugged into the preamp board out of phase. 

If you get the chance, pull off the brass back panel and post a pic of your preamp board.  You can do that the same way as above - with a link - or reduce the image to under 1MB and attach it to a post in here.  Click 'Preview" to get to that attachment page.  And you won't see a preview of the pic until you actually post the message.

Enjoy that thing!
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2024, 11:08:47 AM »
Adding a permanent picture...

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2024, 11:23:47 AM »
I am just realizing that JimmyJ is... well... THE JimmyJ!!!  I am at a loss for words!

"City Nights" was one of the few tunes that blew my mind... so much... it was so over my head when it came out... ALL the playing on it... that I had to know more.  The desire to learn was so great that I ended up going to Berklee and getting a guitar performance degree

Vinnie, Jimmy, Allan, Gary...   Legendary recording!  Watershed moment for me!  I went to see this show live, excited to see this lineup... but alas... Skuli S. was playing bass.  (Still a great show of course!)

Anyway... Jimmy it's an honor to chat with you!  Just wanted to know you were an integral part of something that changed my life!  Thank you!

Ahem, well back to my Series bass... I was just surprised that "both pickups on" on the Series I bass is louder... "a sum of the outputs" as you say.  This is different than on Les Pauls and Strats... where the sound of two pickups on is actually quieter than one pickup on... Think of the strat "quack" in the 2 and 4 positions.  That's where my assumption came from that "both pickups on" would be quieter. 

My "both" position sounds the same as you describe it.  All good!

Anyway... THE JimmyJ!   Hope I didn't make you blush you too badly!   But seriously, thank you again for the mind-blowing inspiration!   

Steve



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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2024, 11:52:13 AM »
Hey, no thread hijacking!  But thanks for all the kind words.  This is the only place I hang out on the web and there's a thread I keep track of in here if you want to chat further: https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8041.1850

But back to your lovely bass!  Glad that makes sense about the pickups summing.  There are a lot of differences between this kind of electronics package and standard passive guitar wiring.  I'm obviously a big fan of how this Series system works for bass! 

Keep the questions coming as you start playing around with it.

Jimmy J

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2024, 01:26:56 PM »
Can I butt in briefly to say that's one absolutely stunning looking bass!  What is the top wood?

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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2024, 01:34:53 PM »
Thx Bill!   I don’t know what type of wood it is!  I am definitely not the expert (just the new owner!)

Figured walnut?

Seems a bit “red” for walnut, though the photo there in the sunlight is making it look more red than it is.

Seems a bit wild for cocobolo?!?

I don’t know.   I’m leaning toward figured walnut.  But open to thoughts from club members more knowledgeable than me!
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Re: Series I or Series II??? SN 80-1664
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2024, 01:39:10 PM »
I’m gonna go with Delicious.  The wood looks delicious.