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BeenDown139

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Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« on: January 29, 2024, 10:41:11 AM »
after a mroning of house and yard drudgery fueled by a whangin' buzz from the first hash & bud bowl of the day, i sit down to lunch, pop open the email, lo and behold, i have an offer from a reverb seller!  he's actually raised the price of his merchandise and sent me a special offer to take advantage of his magnamanity.  pretty much makes my day.  i'm speechless!

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2024, 02:23:50 PM »
Now THAT'S funny! It's like when something doesn't sell, then they relist it at a HIGHER price!

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2024, 12:01:59 AM »
When i see that scenario, i tend to think the listing is a reluctant one and banking on the bass not being sold.
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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2024, 05:02:30 AM »
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When i see that scenario, i tend to think the listing is a reluctant one and banking on the bass not being sold

maybe.  if so, why just go up $200?  why not $2000? or $20,000?  i suspect ChatGPT shenanagins.
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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2024, 09:49:55 AM »
The Invisible Hand Of The Marketplace at work!

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2024, 11:05:17 AM »
Don't get me started on the Alembic marketplace.  Dealing in vintage instruments, I follow this stuff relentlessly, and the past year or so has been a true head scratcher.  Prices on the used market are unrealistic in most cases.  What does sell is usually the result of making the seller languish online for years before they have their hopes dashed by the cold hard fact that they ain't gonna get what they hoped for, and they finally take what the market will bear. 

My suspicion is the unreasonable expectations of sellers these days are the result of multiple factors.  The unrelenting price increases at Alembic certainly set the bar to begin with.  I can absolutely see how this has affected the rest of the boutique instrument market as well.  Fodera, Smith, and even Sadowsky (Not even made in house) have all used Alembic's pricing as the high water mark, and for some senseless reason they believe their product can hold a candle to what Alembic produces.  Not even close!  Still, does anyone think they would see a starting price of $40K for a Series II in their lifetime?  Susan assures me that the prices are warranted in order to compensate the outstanding workers as well as compensate for the cost of materials, shipping, etc.  I'll give her that, especially if it takes care of the amazing crew of craftsmen in the shop. 
I also see people struggling to survive these days, and they know all too well that going for the Hail Mary on their listings would be a big help, either because they need to keep up with the rapidly inflating cost of new instruments, or because they know that they will likely never be able afford another Alembic.  There also may be a degree of ignorance involved with people who are new to selling Alembic instruments.  They gauge their pricing by what they see on Reverb, and that just leads to a steady increase in prices that do not reflect what people are willing to pay. 

I recognize that the retail pricing from Alembic is to blame for the strength of the used Alembic market.  For most musicians, the used market is their only hope to get into an Alembic instrument.  Long production time and availability used to be the main draw for buying used Alembic product, but now the retail pricing has had a significant effect.  I still wonder if boosting the used market is the best sales model for Alembic.  Used sales do not benefit Alembic in any way financially. For every used sale, Alembic loses a potential sale.  This has always been counter to my sincere attempts to support Alembic in every way I can, and while I feel a bit of guilt when buying used product, I also realize that as an ambassador for Alembic, it is better to get a bass or a preamp into a working player's hands as opposed to scaring them off with the price of new product.  Alembic will always have the select buyers who want their reproduction of a "Dead" guitar, and can afford to adorn them with $20K inlays, but my wish is to bring the joy of an Alembic to the rest of us too.  The "rest of us" are in most cases the used instrument community, and my hope is that the trend I am starting to see will continue.  Lately, prices are trending downwards, and hopefully will settle back to a place that promotes better flow of used instruments on the market as opposed to stagnation which has been the norm for the past couple of years.

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2024, 06:36:40 AM »
Well I have to say that market is a market, if you want it you get it, if no one buys it, maybe the price is high or demand in low.

These days I don't see many people using Alembic as back in 80s or 90s.

All that is because money, I know a lot of people that would play Alembic just they can't afford it and that has begun a trend where many famous bass players use basses from companies that would support them, and those companies are the one that have affordable basses. Then people buy those basses because of price and demand.

I hate too see famous bass player that plays in Toto has a Sire bass or Harley Benton, nothing against that companies, nothing against that bass that can do a gig. But, there is something more than just a wood and sound. People that makes them, company that's been around since the old days, family of people that enjoy these basses, small communities and small businesses. Not to mention craftsmanship, art, time put into instrument etc.

I realized that people don't appreciate all that, it's all about endorsing some company on a tik-tok or Instagram video that lasts for 15 sec.
Yesterday I saw a guy playing on Facebook reel, but what he played wasn't the sound coming out. He edit himself so it looks like he's playing that. I mean people spend more time on editing their vids than practicing their instrument.

And now when we get back to prices and Alembic, there is no chance younger generation would play that instrument... I'm 46 and I feel like I'm the youngest here. Wish more people were into Alembic to see that that is totally different experience. Then the prices would be where they should.

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2024, 07:11:43 AM »
Well, maybe things will get better once a head of lettuce is less than $10.00.  LOL.  Gasoline is starting to come down...yeah!  I guess the long and short of it is Alembic continues to make the best instruments on the planet, and they deserve to command a premium price.  From as far back as I can remember, Alembics were always priced just out of reach for the average dude, so nothing has really changed, and that probably is how it should remain.  All I care about is that Alembic lives on, not only for us musicians, but for the family of wonderful people who work hard every day at Alembic to create the instruments we can not live without. 

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2024, 08:03:49 AM »
Yes, used prices have gone bonkers. I think I got lucky when I bought my Distillate Exploiter in autumn of '22 (thanks Tim!). I now see Spoilers and Persuaders with asking prices close to what I paid for the pristine (and pointy!) beauty that I bought. I've been toying with the idea of picking up a "beater" Alembic (is that an oxymoron?  ;D ), but the prices are off-putting. So I'll just let them sit there online.
Regarding new instrument prices, I've probably already rambled about this elsewhere, but I've been running a custom flight case shop for over 25 years. Since covid, wood and foam have more than doubled in price, and the latches, handles, casters, etc. have gone up noticeably, as well as the extruded aluminum. Add to that, people need to get paid more. I elevated everyone's salary, not just because they need and deserve it, but also because we need to offer much more than we used to for prospective new additions to the crew. Bottom line - our prices are up at least 40% since 2019. The good news is, business has been through the roof since touring came back. We can barely keep up and are booked halfway through April now.

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2024, 08:20:41 AM »
The MK Signature Deluxe 5 string I spotted here in Italy about two years ago was sold for 5,000 euro after stationing for about two decades in a shop room… Now the last owner is trying to sell it for 11,000…

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2024, 09:15:28 AM »
I remember seeing my first Alembic at a Shop in late '79 or '80.  It had LED's which blew me away.  Yes.....at the time, that Alembic cost more than my car!  I bought a RIC for $550.00 with lawn mowing money.
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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2024, 05:31:50 AM »
i liken the alembic market to the denverr housing market.  if yer an average joe (or jane) and  ya didn't get in before 2020, yer probably locked out.  forever.  new or used.   houses or basses. 

i find it hard to believe that my meager bass collection is worth close to $100k at todays prices.  i'll never see it, my kids might after i meet my end.  it's given me pause about acquiring another bass when i think of pulling out a large chunk o'$ out of my retirement hoard that has to keep me going until i kick the bucket.  that's one thing i don't wanna fall short with if ya catch my drift.

once again, a thing's only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. 
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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2024, 05:28:51 PM »
That was mine. The first Alembic I owned and had it refinished in the early 2000 ands. The asking price is $3400 more than I sold it for. Timing is everything.

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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2024, 03:49:44 AM »
I get these 'offers' every day and just assumed everyone else did too. Most of the time, it's for a discounted item that I browsed, or something creepily similar enough that the algorithms know how to target me for an ad. Ebay does the same thing.

I've been itchy for a Martin 000 lately, specifically a short-scale, not the OM long-scale. I want a 1-3/4" nut, 2-1/4" bridge spacing. I do not want the MLO (modern low oval) neck profile. I'd like the 1935 'burst finish top. I could settle for 1933 Ambertone finish. I want 1/4" scalloped bracing, not 5/16". So I'm looking for a certain set of specs... and some of them don't necessarily apply to all Martin 000's, and the bots aren't 'smart' enough (yet) to know that. So I browse "Martin 000", filter through them myself... and get bombarded with 'offers' for guitars that aren't qualified. Sometimes for days, just based on what's in my 'watched' or 'recently viewed' list. Good thing I know what I want, and I'm picky, cause that strategy probably works on more casual online shoppers.


*along the lines of what I look for- Used Martin Custom Shop 000-18 Style Adirondack/Mahogany 1933 Ambertone w/case TSU16641 https://reverb.com/item/78342999

...and what they think I want- Martin Vintage Series 000-28EC https://reverb.com/item/77802558

What I think happens in a reverse discount case like BeenDown saw is, the sellers occasionally raise listing prices so when they discount them again they look like a better deal... i.e. bigger percentage off listed price. But whudda' I know?
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Re: Jsut got sent an offer i can't refuse!
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2024, 07:30:48 AM »
So I browse "Martin 000", filter through them myself... and get bombarded with 'offers' for guitars that aren't qualified. Sometimes for days, just based on what's in my 'watched' or 'recently viewed' list.
 

What creeps me out is that I'll look at something at, say, Reverb or Dream Guitars, on my AOL account, on my computer - and She gets guitar ads on Her stupidphone, through Her Facebook account (I don't have a FB account).

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