Author Topic: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?  (Read 1289 times)

cozmik_cowboy

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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2023, 07:59:25 PM »
"Relic" = "Pay extra so your new instrument can be damaged enough to kinda-sorta look like it spent years with someone who didn't know how to take care of it."

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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2023, 06:36:03 AM »
I've thought about this relic-ing thing for years... and there's one thing that cannot be denied. Whether someone cares for the look or not, there is absolutely an art to performing it correctly. I'll tell you all something else too... it's not anything new. Violinmakers would commonly distress their finishes and even etch the wood at the pegbox to suggest a graft, all in an effort to make instruments appear more antique than they were. Just in the acoustic guitar world, there are whole companies that have grown from being able to replicate the look and very much of the sound of the 1920's and 30's American steel-string guitar. These guys are among the most successful at it- https://www.pre-warguitars.com


*cut to the point- https://www.pre-warguitars.com/distress-levels


It's even trickled up to C.F. Martin & Co. who traditionally are last to the party in realizing their competition is their own vintage guitars. You can now order a Martin D-18 or D-28 in just about any grade from a plain standard model, to an Aged Authentic, that was built in the Custom Shop on CT Scans of a 1931, 1937, 1939, or 1941 source instrument, to the exact specs, using even the same hot hide glue. They will even artificially age the thing. Or not. Get your credit card charged up though.

Then this year, they jerked everybody's chain with these Street Legend guitars... another D-18 or 28, but the wear pattern; it's spray-printed onto the spruce then finished over in satin. As you'd expect, those who hate it really hate it, and they're loud about it. I've yet to read a report that they sound bad. Much more affordable price tag.

I'm at a weird place. I don't love it, but I don't want one either. I do admire the ingenuity it takes to stay on top of the game.

*FWIW, my 1950 D-18... 100% of the play wear it has was from the people who had him before me. At least one of them was left-handed. I did most of the repair and restoration back in the 90's.
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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2023, 08:13:57 AM »
My instruments are far from pristine, they also are not intentionally marred. 

Hearing that Martin is kowtowing to the 'distressed' look has me perplexed.


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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2023, 10:12:00 AM »
You're not the only one, Paul. There have been several threads locked over at the UMGF they got so beyond civil. I'm just not that opinionated either way, surely not enough to criticize someone's NGD thread. (which is what happened a couple times) Like Mom said, if you can't say something nice, keep scrolling... or something like that.

As far as Martin goes, you won't find a much bigger fan of them than me. I don't care for these new 'printed top' Street Legend guitars at all, would not buy one, not even second-hand. But looking at the Aged Authentic Series from a couple different angles;

1.) Not building them is simply leaving money on the table by refusing to compete with Pre*War Guitars, (for example) who are basically carbon copying Martin and Gibson patterns and building methods from the so-called Golden Era of Guitar-making.

2.) Most players of medium-to-moderate means will never have a chance in a lifetime to otherwise afford a pre-1941 Martin Dreadnought. Those guitars are not affordable for the average player anymore. These things are as close as possible to the genuine article. They are expensive, but not unobtainable. If some degree of artificial aging (relic-ing, if you like) gets you there, it's available. If you'd rather have your vintage reproduction guitar mint-new, they do that too.

Gibson is making reissues of J-35 and J-45 (and others) in pre WW2 specs too, with this 'thin nitrocellulose VOS' finish option now. Let me decode that; it wears through to a distressed look, real fast. Sounds good out of the box too, without a lot of heavy finish cured over the spruce. They've done distressed varnish finish on F-5 Master Model mandolins for years.

We can shoot ducks in-season, but the quacking goes on... I think it's just a fact of business in the world now for these guitar-makers.

The curious part of me wants to know how they do it so accurately.

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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2023, 02:52:48 PM »
Gregory - I appreciate your succinct reply.
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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2023, 06:05:04 PM »
Here's some authentic play wear on a middle-aged Gibson guitar. I've been watching one of my good musical buddies put this wear on his guitar for over 20 years. Late 50s - early 60s J-45.

And back to the original topic in this thread... played my Alembic in a local brewery a couple nights ago. I'm a little selective about venues I'll bring it to, but how could I have such a nice bass and not gig with it?

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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2023, 08:40:11 AM »
The only time I will not bring my Alembics to a gig is when: (a) It's an outdoor show, REALLY likely to rain, and the show is not being called off; (b) The band is located at ground level and there are likely to be kids running around (at one gig pre-COVID we had a 3-year old run through the band at least 3 or 4 times with a good number of spectators applauding thinking it was cute); and (c) I'm meeting the band somewhere and someone else is going to be transporting my bass.  Other than that its Alembics all the time. I guess I'm fortunate to have been able to have purchased enough used Alembics that most have already been baptized so to speak and are naturally "vintaged" so one more ding is not going to bother me. To be honest, what bothers me more than dings are cracked finishes especially when the finish in question is on the neck. In cold weather, fellow bandmates are always chastising me for taking so long to get my bass out for the sound check while I wait for the bass and case to warm to room temperature. 

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Re: Dings and Dents, or "I'm taking my Alembic to all of my events" ?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2023, 10:22:54 PM »
I gigged on the road with my Martin for years.  The dent in the top from the salt shaker thrown at the stage in Timmins, Ontario at the Rendezvous Tavern seemed like a calamity at the time but now it wears like a badge of honour. It’s all perspective I guess. I gig with my Alembic exclusively when I’m gigging on electric bass. It’s just so much better than anything else.
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