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JimmyJ

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interesting find
« on: March 04, 2023, 04:28:26 PM »

Hey friends,

Occasionally I wonder how many Alembic instruments might live nearby in my area of SoCal.  I know a couple guys who own them but not as daily drivers so it's pretty rare to see on in the wild.  But that's what happened yesterday.

I was walking with a friend who was visiting from out of town (I know, walking in LA is already a shock!) when we happened upon one of the great vintage guitar shops in Studio City called Ventura Music Inc.  I've driven by this place roughly 8-million times and never set foot in the door. 

George, the owner, has apparently been in this spot for 16 years and he has accumulated quite a collection of vintage and rare gear for sale and trade.  Lots of Fenders and Gibsons of every vintage, I saw a Guild Starfire on the wall, Dan Armstrong plexi, and a bunch of instruments I don't know anything about.  And then lo and behold there's a very old Series I hanging on the wall.  What the?? 

So let me introduce you to 73-28, a sweet looking long scale bass from the very early days that looks like it has been through a lot. 

George explained he had no power supply and the bass was only partially operational. He said sound comes from the bass pickup but the associated switch just introduces terrible distortion.

He's a drummer first but knows a lot about guitars having bought and sold them for many years. But I thought maybe I could give him a hand and try to get this old axe working.  So I went back today, brought my Series I fretless to show him how things are supposed to work, and I poked away at his bass for a while trying to get something to happen.  I even built him a stereo to mono cable with summing resistors figuring that might give the bridge channel a chance...

But sadly, NO LUCK.  As he said, it's passing some sound from the bass pickup but that's the only thing that was almost working.  The pickup selector is sending audio thumps down the line (a sign of DC present?) and the badly done replacement Q-switch on that channel just makes a terrible racket.  No sound whatsoever from the bridge channel.

I exercised the pots and switches, still nothing.  My summing cable didn't work either which was a bummer.  Plugging it into my power supply confirmed the bridge channel was completely silent.

As you can see, somebody did a very rough job of replacing the Q-switch on the bass channel. It's a bad fit that's pushing the board up higher on that side.  The board is actually holding that switch in place since there's no nut on the front side.  It looks like one of the flat-pack opamps may have been replaced at some point.  The pickups mini-coax connectors are under blue heat-shrink so I didn't dig in far enough to try swapping them.  And oh my, that telephone-style 1/4" connector is SO complicated that I wouldn't know where to begin troubleshooting it.  I don't know enough about these original PF-5 boards to be of any help, though I understand this was nearly the end of the run before the PF-6 took over.

Anyway, I thought you guys would enjoy seeing another bass from the very early days.  George is willing to sell or trade it but he is unlikely to invest the cash to restore it to it's original operating condition.  He's also trying to keep it "original" as opposed to updating it with today's internals -  something I would probably do in a heartbeat.  Sadly, "original" at the moment means nonfunctional...

If anybody here is interested in taking something like this on as a project you can reach George at eight-one-eight, seven-six-one, nine-six-six-nine  I've only just me him but he seems like a good guy and we have a lot of mutual muso pals...

Jimmy J



edwardofhuncote

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2023, 04:54:45 PM »
There she is again. I'd been wondering what number it was, so BIG THANKS for confirming that Jimmy J. I had seen that bass on Craigslist and here, and if it weren't such an undertaking with so many variables, I would own it this very minute, and have it restored.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 05:55:59 PM »
Thanks very much for sharing, Jimmy, needs a bit of work, but that is a beautiful bass!

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 10:40:15 PM »
Great story!

As far as originality is concerned, the topmounted humcanceller is already a later update, as the earliest ones would have humcancellers in the electronics cavity, and of course it's a different colour than the pickups.I wonder how much of an investment it would be to bring it back to playing condition.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2023, 07:23:00 PM »
It is gorgeous!! Thanks for sharing that. I wish I could take it on.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2023, 01:48:44 AM »
Wow, when I was livin in LA I visited that shop a few times, always had something interesting in his arsenal.
Such a gorgeous bass.
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Re: interesting find
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2023, 07:33:28 AM »
I ran across a Series bass in similar shape when I first came to Nashville in the early 90's, if not a bit rougher.  No case.  No power supply and cable.  Made no sound at all, a derelict.  Just a rough looking axe hanging in a local store for a grand.  Knew NOTHING about Alembics, but I knew I was looking at one.  Thought, 'WTH, I'll just buy it and worry about getting it going later'.

Never worked out, don't know where it went, but later figured out I could have bought a baby grand for less than what it would have cost to send it through refit.  Sometimes, things just work out.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2023, 10:40:02 AM »
Side question, does anyone know what the woods in the neck might be?  Specifically, the super-dark brown wood (not the stringers)?  That's beautiful - I love the early 70s darker-wood Alembics.
Maybe it's just an extra-dark selection of walnut, and/or it has darkened over time.  But it looks amazing; I don't recall seeing many other instruments with wood that looks quite like this.


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Re: interesting find
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2023, 11:18:02 AM »
The color and wood grain in the back view photo looks like walnut to me. And walnut was a common neck wood at the time.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2023, 11:23:04 AM »
Side question, does anyone know what the woods in the neck might be?  Specifically, the super-dark brown wood (not the stringers)?  That's beautiful - I love the early 70s darker-wood Alembics.
Maybe it's just an extra-dark selection of walnut, and/or it has darkened over time.  But it looks amazing; I don't recall seeing many other instruments with wood that looks quite like this.



I definitely prefer the look of darker wood for Alembics and basses in general. As far as Walnut goes it is my understanding that it gets lighter with age, not darker. Cocobolo definitely seems to get darker over time, I only own one bass with a Cocobolo top, when I got it there were a lot of orange hues... 20 years on they are mostly gone and the top has gotten much darker. Those are my two favorite top woods but I also love the look of Schedua and Bubinga. The bass in this thread has a beautiful and IMO unique top. Can't help identify the neck wood but it very well might be walnut.

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Re: interesting find
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2023, 12:20:22 PM »
Thanks RV and Stephen!
I think you're right that it's walnut.  I found this older listing on Reverb for another 1973 bass (#73-43 - link) that has similar-looking neck wood, and the listing says it's walnut.  Maybe it's the oil(?) finish, maybe it's just the type of walnut they were using in '73, but man, it looks terrific.