Author Topic: Pair of F1-X Preamps / Series One Bass / DS5R = slight overdrive when I dig deep  (Read 124 times)

Thomasio

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Today I have been chasing my tail... my F1-X preamps are nice and clean when I play gently, but when I dig deep there is what I would describe as a tube overdrive sound.

I don't recall that I have every had that form the F1-X preamps, so I went through everything and unless I dial back the volume knobs on the bass, the slight overdrive sound is audible whenever I play with a little gusto.

The preamps are set at about Volume 5 or 6. Each F1-X does the identical thing, I switched everything imaginable to try to isolate what is going on. I also adjusted the trim pots on the back of the Series 1.

It is not an objectionable sound, it is just an unexpected one as I always thought the F1-X was very clean.

The only thing I have not done is change the batteries in the Series 1, as I assume they don't matter when I am using the DS5R. (Could I be wrong? The distortion reminds me of how the bass would sound when the batteries were getting low.)

Also tried a passive bass, and was still able to get the tube overdrive sound. Again, it is subtle, just unexpected.

Please help me maintain what sanity I have left.

Thank you for any ideas.

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« Last Edit: February 22, 2023, 03:53:49 PM by Thomasio »

Thomasio

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Well, after I wrote the message above, I went back to the rig and asked myself what had changed.

Here is what had changed: I added a Shure microphone mixer (SCM268) to combine the DI out of each of the F1-X preamps to feed into my IEM digital mixer (RCF M18).

Instead of reading the directions, I plugged it all in and went to town. The overdrive that I was hearing was caused by me failing to understand the difference between the gain controls and the master volume.

I set the gains at 50% and I needed to lower the master volume to about 20%. I was overdriving the inputs to my IEM rig.

Ended up setting the gains at 20% and the master at 50%, and all is well: no distortion!

Learn from my mistake. :)

pauldo

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Thomas thanks for sharing what you learned.

gtrguy

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My less than 2 cents worth:

Various brands of tubes and also the age and condition of the tube and if the tube is a 12AX7, 12AT7, 12AU7 etc (they might all be a substitute) will not only sound different, but go into overdrive differently. Some are also considered to be more 'musical' sounding than others as well. For critical use, such as recording, I will hook up a preamp to my DAW with the top off and try various tubes in the unit, using the same input signal to find the cleanest and best sounding ones (if clean is what I am after).  I do this visually by checking the meters and also by listening to it. I also pay close attention to the noise floor with no signal (no playing but instrument hooked up) going into it to see what the tube does at idle (the cable can add noise too). Tubes can also be run at different voltages and some people tweak with that.

They all respond in unique ways, much like various brands of car tires, and since Alembic can be considered a 'sports car' kind of bass, it's worth doing. Note that some worn tubes or tubes that are of various brands can do worse on the noise test but (especially with guitar) actually sound better! I have some vintage 12AX7 Golden Lion and Mullard tubes that are slightly noisy but sound fantastic!

For new tubes I like JJs. They sound good and are consistent and wear slowly and gradually without just failing all at once so much. On the down side, since they degrade so gradually, it's easier to ignore them as they age. It's worth it to keep a spare new one around just to compare it to one you have been using for a while.

Thomasio

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Thank you gtrguy, great things to think about!

Thomasio

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P.S. I have a pair of JJ ECC83S tubes coming from TubeDepot, should be better than the Sovteks that are in the F1-X preamps currently.

gtrguy

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You are 100% correct about that! BTW, there are some 'fat bottom' 12AX7 style tubes (not a brand, just a quirk of the glass size) that don't fit into the Alembic tube shields (JJs are OK).