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Mlazarus

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Snapped headstock
« on: July 30, 2022, 01:21:25 AM »
 I've read horror stories of headstocks on one alembic that snapped off when it fell. Scary. My question is:

Can Alembic fix such a case?

Is the area weaker afterward?

How much would that cost?

  very scary!
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2022, 03:52:37 AM »

I've read horror stories of headstocks on one alembic that snapped off when it fell. Scary. My question is:

Can Alembic fix such a case?

Is the area weaker afterward?

How much would that cost?

  very scary!
Yes.
No.
Ask Mica.
Uhh. Resisting urge to link to gigbag thread.  ::)

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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2022, 04:10:04 AM »
Here's a lovely snapped headstock thread for your enjoyment

https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25787.0

Gotta wonder how this turned out...
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2022, 10:11:37 AM »
At least we know Alembic can fix it back to strength. Won't look pretty, but back in action with a BATTLE SCAR. HA HA, yes, this topic can also (i guess) be in the gig bag post as well.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2022, 10:13:07 AM »
Is yours broken?

(I mean, c'mon man... are you doin' a ring and run on us here?)

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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2022, 10:47:06 AM »
NO it's not. I'm just smarter in my age. Always think security and protection or everything. It should be said.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2022, 10:49:44 AM »
No games, no 'ring and run". Just good FYI input. Forums are great. Same with Car Forums.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2022, 11:29:20 AM »
Okay. Well, good. When you post a thread on the main forum header here titled "Snapped Headstock" it conjures certain images and thoughts. You're new though, so we'll open the door for ya'.  :)


Here's a sample of an Alembic repair on a snapped headstock. https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=7790.msg90849#msg90849


I'm going to go out on a limb and say the price for this has increased some in 20 years. The quality of work however remains impeccable. 

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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2022, 11:59:45 AM »
I guess I used the scary title to draw immediate attention as a 'wakeup call' and reminder for everyone, especially younger people. It got yours. LOL It troubles me how musicians put their Alembics and Ken Smiths (I have a BT6G) on a stand on stage when not playing. I usually place those types of basses in their cases in the back and close them! I'll take them out when it's time to play. As for my Fender precision bass, it's a beast that I don't worry as much about. P-basses GO UP IN PRICE from scars and marks. Funny. I don't have that same attitude with the Ken Smith and Alembics.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2022, 12:04:24 PM »
Not that I don't care about the Fender Ps. I'm careful, but the head stock isn't angled so it not that badly damaged.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2022, 10:31:19 AM »
Alembic can put in a brand new scarf joint.

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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2022, 10:53:41 AM »
https://reverb.com/item/17293217-alembic-series-i-1978-32-scale

It looks like this 78 had its headstock accident. Now I'm looking at the pattern of the lower part. It's very similar to the type of pattern of the 75' series 1 breakage. As if Rick Turner designed the neck as two separate parts: the neck and the head stock. Then laminated both pieces together. The same
method used when the wings (lower body) get laminated to the middle section (Hippie Sandwich). If this is true, then I'm thinking Alembic cleverly designed the necks this way, (as well as having the nice, angled design) in case the bass falls on its back. That way the head stock can be laminated back on. Like a recovery feature. Not pretty, but it works. Interesting.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2022, 11:01:30 AM »
thanks, gtrguy.  A scarf joint. I just learned about that just now by looking at luthier pictures of other guitar necks. I believe I was told the Alembic neck is designed a special way. If I remember correctly.
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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2022, 09:51:04 PM »
The scarf joint for a peghead/neck relationship is a technique stringed instrument builders have been using for hundreds of years - it gives more strength than no joint or a butt joint, the glue is stronger than the wood. Because the nut is the weakest part of the instrument, it's almost a guarantee that if the guitar is around long enough, it will get broken here (every Strad has a new headstock). The point is you want to make an instrument that is WORTH repairing. If you build with this in mind, then even splicing an entirely new peghead on isn't even crazy expensive, though usually they break in a way that we can keep the original peghead. We can sometimes make an entirely invisible repair, but that also requires a complete refinish. In any event the repair is invisible to the touch, and it won't break in the same place again.

I think that the early Alembic instruments suffered more breakage because of the bridge placement, the peghead is out a little farther, and wound of up hitting things more frequently since players weren't accustomed to the extra reach. Usually a repaired peghead from the 70s will have a good chip or chunk on the back of the peghead as well, point of impact. Some are from stage/stand falls, but most seemed to be whacked on something.




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Re: Snapped headstock
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2022, 10:01:31 PM »
That's great information to know Mica. Luthiers are so highly skilled with their craft. I feel comfortable knowing I'm in excellent hands if I need it. Also, I'm very sure Mr. Richard Turner passed his luthier skills down to many new and young Alembic workers to keep the tradition going. I'm happy I finally
have an Alembic again. I've waited since the late 90's.
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