Author Topic: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022  (Read 6904 times)

g-dude

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2024, 05:56:11 AM »
The irony is, the law would prohibit taking the instrument out of the UK to sell or even lend it in another country, but someone from the UK is actually allowed to purchase or rent the exact same item abroad.


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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2024, 06:23:28 AM »
Maybe but not bring it back into the UK  i expect.
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2024, 06:57:13 AM »
Maybe but not bring it back into the UK  i expect.

It doesn’t actually seem to say that as I recall, and there are musical instrument exemptions for pre-1974 as well as for museums.

I’m always curious when I see a press release and try to find the original text. Often, press releases overstate what has been done, and leave out the loopholes built in to the laws.  I feel that journalists should be required to post a link to whatever law they write about, because they often either get it wrong or just copy a press release.

Life tends to be easier though if you don’t try to live through the loopholes, all that being said.

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2024, 10:31:47 AM »
Well I contacted the Government office and explained my situation with the guitar and was told that if i sell the guitar containing ivory i would be liable for a huge fine and/or jail sentence. Neither of which sounds desirable so i'm not taking any chances. Better to get it done sooner rather than later.

I have just handed the guitar over to the luthier and he's taken time to explain to me how he will do the work. It's going to be sterling silver for the teeth and black MOP for the claws. To say i'm anxious is an understatement. ??? :-[
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2024, 10:56:42 AM »
Well I contacted the Government office and explained my situation with the guitar and was told that if i sell the guitar containing ivory i would be liable for a huge fine and/or jail sentence. Neither of which sounds desirable so i'm not taking any chances. Better to get it done sooner rather than later.

I have just handed the guitar over to the luthier and he's taken time to explain to me how he will do the work. It's going to be sterling silver for the teeth and black MOP for the claws. To say i'm anxious is an understatement. ??? :-[

Hopefully it all goes well.

What are you doing with the ivory pieces afterwards?

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2024, 02:09:55 PM »
I have no interest in those pieces so i guess they will be disposed of in some way.
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2024, 11:45:46 AM »
I spoke to Crimson guitars on Thursday and they expect to start work on Monday. Fingers crossed that the task proves to be problem free.
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2024, 12:31:24 PM »
Getting the ivory bits out is the easy part... fitting the new teeth and claws is where the skilled labor will show. The nice thing about inlaying into an ebony fingerboard is that you can use black filler. Not so easy to hide a sloppy fit with rosewood or another wood with discernable patterns.

I used rosewood dust with the epoxy to inlay Honeytone #28 here. At the time, all I had was a Dremel and router base, so there's a border. I wasn't too happy with it. The rosewood darkened up a lot after finish-sanding and polishing, then oil-treating, so it hid some of the slop. I learned a lot from this one. Mostly, what not to do. There's still a "stupid" trophy hanging over my workbench to remind me of one episode.

FWIW, this one is ivory too, every individual piece is cut from reclaimed piano keys. A good friend of mine repairs and tunes pianos... and saves these little scraps for me. I use them for all kinds of things in the shop. Guess #28 won't ever become the world traveler some of her sisters have been. Come to think of it, there are at least four more banjos with ivory inlay we did; 19, 21, 25, and 26. 20 had a couple pieces of it too, but was destroyed in a fire. I may re-create that design for #30.

I'll be anxious to see Dragon Magic again, Jazzy. One of my favorite Alembics out there.

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2024, 05:04:28 PM »
I'm extremely anxious as it's the only time it has been out of my possession since i bought it in 2019. I won't be relaxed until i get it back.
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2024, 03:10:30 AM »
OK, just got off the phone with Ben from Crimson Guitars and he is planning to finish the guitar for me to collect on Sunday.
For the teeth and claws he is planning to make and use Mokume Gane out of gold and silver. Which i had never heard of but once i had a look on line, i can see it is used extensively in jewellery. The idea is that it would add some texture visually to the teeth and claws.
I will post pictures as they come through.
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2024, 09:27:37 AM »
My wedding ring is Mokume Gane.   Different metals (yellow, white, and rose gold) mixed to create a wood-like grain pattern.   Looking forward to pics when it’s done.

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2024, 12:19:36 PM »
Seems like the Mokome Gane is not cutting the mustard so it's going to be silver.
I got a couple of photos, one of the claws is out now so it's really happening.
There was going to be two videos of the work, one of removal and one of the inlay process. However today he was extolling the excellence of all aspects of the guitar and asked if he could do a youtube  ideo showing off the guitar, the ethos behind the alembic design and sound then ask his youtube followers if they thought the guitar was worth £x. However before that happens i plan to email Mica for a current price for a new one of the same spec and also if she has any reservations about that kind of review as i don't want to promote any ignorant criticism about our beloved brand. That said i kind of think it should be based at the original price when it was made. Any thoughts?
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2024, 12:21:58 PM »
First claw removed and the plan is to make rubber castings of the spaces where the ivory was then ink stamp them on to the inlay material then cut the teeth and claws out.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2024, 12:24:24 PM by jazzyvee »
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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2024, 03:49:34 PM »
That is an interesting approach. I was wondering how they would get the thickness of the inlays so they would be flush with the fingerboard's surface without defretting the guitar. A 3D model for the pieces will help.

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Re: UK ban on trade in ivory in force from 6th June 2022
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2024, 05:12:50 PM »
Seems like the Mokome Gane is not cutting the mustard so it's going to be silver.
I got a couple of photos, one of the claws is out now so it's really happening.
There was going to be two videos of the work, one of removal and one of the inlay process. However today he was extolling the excellence of all aspects of the guitar and asked if he could do a youtube  ideo showing off the guitar, the ethos behind the alembic design and sound then ask his youtube followers if they thought the guitar was worth £x. However before that happens i plan to email Mica for a current price for a new one of the same spec and also if she has any reservations about that kind of review as i don't want to promote any ignorant criticism about our beloved brand. That said i kind of think it should be based at the original price when it was made. Any thoughts?

While the video sounds cool, the whole “do you think it is worth £X?” seems a bit irrelevant.

After all, the only thing that matters is if you think it was worth it to you, and anything other than whether or not the extra paid for the artwork is worth it can’t be answered by anyone who has not played an Alembic.