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YamatoJJ

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1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« on: February 01, 2022, 02:30:03 AM »
This bass here on Japanese auction block:

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/1034861639

Price now close to 4k USD

Serial number 77/878

In Japanese: no truss rod cover; tuning pegs changed; weather-checked.

Electronics: seller unsure if wiring was reversed or faulty, because both pickups won’t come on when set: I wonder if this is due to the seller’s ignorance (they admitted they can’t answer questions regarding specifics because they don’t know and bought it used), and they plugged it into the box wrong.

Aside from the obvious fried wiring, twisted neck…any thoughts on the risks?

YamatoJJ

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2022, 02:40:21 AM »
Ah: no 5 pin cable, I bet!

How much is that gonna be? Lol

el8ed

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2022, 07:16:18 AM »
Beautiful bass—just old. Has the new style bridge, which I find a big plus. DS-5 power supply included. Good strings, which suggests that the bass was being used and cared for. 5-pin cable can be acquired easily from any custom cable outlet—should not be more that $200. Tuning machines look correct to me. If they were exchanged then this would be a plus. Case looks to be in good repair. Fretboard seems to be a beautiful piece of rosewood. I would not worry too much about the neck being twisted. The laminate construction of Alembic necks makes for a very stable platform. It is likely that it could use a good fret dress and leveling—they all do (guess how I know). The biggest plus would be the old wood. That tone cannot be replicated other than letting time pass. My ’79 short scale sounds like no other bass for that reason alone :-)
The only real risk is in the price you pay for it if you do not connect with the bass. Resale is always tricky with higher priced instruments. Risk mitigation comes with getting it for the right price.
Just my $0.02 … ymmv … etc.
Cheers, Oliver
I am a man of simple tastes—I am quite easily satisfied with the best. —Sir Winston Churchill (and me)

JimmyJ

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2022, 08:04:15 AM »
I agree with everything Oliver said.  That's some serious weather-checking on the finish, definitely not stock tuners but probably ok, and the bass pickup's Q switch has been replaced.  Everything (like that brass rear plate :o ) indicates that this bass has been played - a lot - so the condition of the frets would be something to look into. 

If it were me and I felt I had to own this bass, the first thing it would do is go back to Alembic for a complete overhaul and refinish.  It is lovely looking wood but the bass needs attention on many fronts.

I also agree with Oliver's point regarding risk.  Alembics, being hand made often from a variety of different woods (and even variations of the same wood) are all individually unique and include distinct variations, intended or not.  Similar to Steinway pianos. Concert pianists will often want to choose their favorite 9' Steinway concert grand from several because they vary and different pianos appeal to different player's tastes. 

So buying and Alembic without having the opportunity to try it is a risk because you really don't know what it's like until you get your hands on it and plug it in.  It WILL be a great instrument, but will it be the one for you?

YamatoJJ, this is why we were trying to encourage you to take the leap with that unusual Stanley Signature you found.  You've spent some time playing that bass and you love it.  That might still be your best way into Alembic World, in my opinion.

Jimmy J

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2022, 08:08:20 AM »
The finish checking would be considered normal for this year of bass. I'm assuming the testing was done without a 5-pin cable. I suspect the pickup situation is not that they don't work but is the 1/4" jack is wired for stereo only which is how they were wired back then. The result is only one pickup will work when running on battery and using a TR 1/4" jack. If they do not have the 5-pin cable I would purchase an inexpensive TRS plug to TR jack Y cable which would allow you to test both pickups with two regular guitar cables. If the electronics check out and you decide to buy the bass you could then purchase a 5-pin cable to replace what appears to the missing one. 

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2022, 08:47:38 AM »

If it were me and I felt I had to own this bass, the first thing it would do is go back to Alembic for a complete overhaul and refinish.  It is lovely looking wood but the bass needs attention on many fronts.

So buying and Alembic without having the opportunity to try it is a risk because you really don't know what it's like until you get your hands on it and plug it in.  It WILL be a great instrument, but will it be the one for you?

YamatoJJ, this is why we were trying to encourage you to take the leap with that unusual Stanley Signature you found.  You've spent some time playing that bass and you love it.  That might still be your best way into Alembic World, in my opinion.

Jimmy J

Agree with Jimmy about buying the bass you have already had a chance to play. If this Series bass needs to go back to Alembic for refurbishing it is a much more involved process, and expense, for you to send it to the states to have the work done. It is pretty easy to be dazzled by any number of beautiful Alembics and especially hard to select one feeling certain it is the ultimate choice until you play, and live, with it. The neck carves are all unique, there are ergonomic issues unique to each body style etc. Another thing to consider with the older Series basses is whether they have had the noise reduction system update. My 78 Series bass has not but has been okay in most environments, some of the basses really need to have it done. It is not a cheap modification and once again requires sending back to Alembic to get the work done. At this point in time I don't think anyone but Ron can do this work.


I was just looking at the ebay listing for this Series bass, one thing that jumped out at me is that the seller has only a 77% positive feedback rating. I do not suggest buying this bass without being able to check it out in person. Good luck with your quest!
« Last Edit: February 01, 2022, 09:36:33 AM by StephenR »

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2022, 12:42:48 PM »
Nice old bass! I have seen some Alembic series without any finish checking from that time period. Shipping to USA could take a while right now, I am thinking too?

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2022, 06:27:29 PM »
Wish this was medium scale... then I'd seriously considered.
Thanks for the heads up Yamato-san!  Did you ever get any Alembic yet???

YamatoJJ

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2022, 05:44:41 AM »
Hi, Everyone!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, again! I had honestly just wanted to know what everyone thought: it would be too scary to buy out of trust from a seller that doesn’t even really understand the brand they are in possession of! Lol

Oliver: no doubt the not bonding with the bass would be terrible: would be a case of MAKING it work! Ha ha!

Jimmy: the Steinway comparison….I got it, sir: gotta go through a few to know….the one I liked is there at the shop still, but I was getting curious.
and just wanting to hear more opinions.

 The new bridge was encouraging; I thought maybe that meant a previous owner (I suspect this went through a few hands) sent it to get work done, looking at that board. When I said risks I should have said “potential risks” as the truss rod cover was gone, I wondered how many times the neck had to be adjusted…

Thank you all so much: Stephen the person on eBay’s chances of not being the owner is high: happens a lot with sales from Japan…bad business.

el8ed

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2022, 10:34:03 AM »
I wondered how many times the neck had to be adjusted…
FWIW, I keep the truss rod covers of all 3 of my Alembic short-scale basses stowed away safely because it takes frequent tiny truss rod adjustments to keep the necks perfectly straight and action very low. Humidity and temperature changes do mess with the neck woods a bit.
I am a man of simple tastes—I am quite easily satisfied with the best. —Sir Winston Churchill (and me)

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2022, 11:50:19 PM »
Hi,

I am also looking this bass.
I found this info. in my archives. (from History Request, Feb 2009)
It was appeared on eBay at 2007. Rod cover, 5 pin cable and original blue case were included.

top and back: Schedua
body: Mahogany
neck: Maple and Purpleheart, 34" long scale
fingerboard: Vermilion with mother of pearl inlays
peghead veneers: Zebrawood
birthday: November 16, 1977
originally sold to: Rothchild

Eiji

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2022, 06:32:14 PM »
Thank you for this information, Eiji san!

So the case is a replacement, cable gone…too risky.

But hey, I was just lookin’! Lol

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2022, 09:56:07 AM »
Might be a case of duplicate serial numbers. Here is a Showcase Thread for a #77-878

https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8427.0

*I think this is the same one.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2022, 09:59:44 AM by edwardofhuncote »

JimmyJ

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2022, 11:26:30 AM »
That's definitely the same bass.  Look at the patina on the pickup selector switch plate.  Good hunting Greg!

YamatoJJ

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Re: 1977 Series I Japanese Auction
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2022, 01:29:00 PM »
WOW: thank you so much for that search and taking that time out to do it edwardofhuncote: I am so very grateful!

And it’s got that same bridge and everything: wonder how many hands it’s gone through….well, Jimmy, as you said: guess this shows it’s been well-played in 14 years!

Hmm….if this bass could talk lol