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gtrguy

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Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« on: September 22, 2021, 10:10:29 AM »

OJ Dorson

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2021, 12:31:42 PM »
Edited: I'd spend some time on the phone and ask lots of questions to make sure that I was comfortable with that seller before committing to buy. 

Good price, though, and a beautiful bass. 🤷🏻‍♂️
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 08:17:20 AM by OJ Dorson »

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2021, 01:59:40 PM »

OK, enough is enough, I have to respond now.

First, I did give OJ a partial refund of $200. That is  more than enough to clean up the fret edges...

As we all know... There are two sides to every story.
OJ bought a bass from us, yes that is true.
OJ was disappointed with the condition of the frets , yes that is also true.
But what OJ has not mentioned is the rest of the story.
I normally would not go into this on a public forum but since OJ insists on disparaging our shop, I feel it necessary to put forth my side.

After OJ received the bass, he let me know that he was not happy about the frets. However, he also made some claims that were not true. The frets were original and the bass played just fine.
I was perfectly willing to try and resolve the matter but OJ was not willing to negotiate the terms in a reasonable manner. He simply demanded a partial refund of $845. I said that I was not willing to give that much of a partial refund. I would have gladly taken the bass back and given him a full refund but he never asked for that. He only insisted on a very large partial refund. I also offered to do a partial refund for a lesser amount.

I do acknowledge that there was an issue with the ends of the frets being messy but that in no way affected the playability of the bass or the fact that it is a great instruments. It played up and down the neck just fine.
Anyway, I do not wish to get into a flame war here but as I mentioned, it is only fair that I air my side of the story since OJ keeps belaboring this issue.

It is really this simple...

* OJ wanted the bass.
* We talked at length on the phone. OJ seemed very hesitant, to the point of me telling him that he probably shouldn't buy the bass.
* OJ bought the bass.
* OJ received the bass and let me know of his dissatisfaction. Not only did he say the frets were terrible, he also claimed that the electronics did not work correctly and that the power supply was noisy. He claims that I swapped out the DS-5 for the boogieman but that is not the case. He is referencing older photos from Reverb. I talked at length with OJ on the phone and he asked all sorts of questions. I answered them. Yes, I did say that the frets were in great shape and I was referring to the fact that the surface was in great shape. Yes, I will say now that there were some messy edges but that is not what he was upset about. The frets did not have much wear on the surface and were certainly not worn flat. They were large frets that were specifically ordered by the original buyer.

* Initially, OJ asked for a partial refund of $200, then he changed that to $845 and filed a dispute with PayPal.
* I offered a smaller amount for a partial refund and OJ refused, he then escalated the claim to a dispute. 
* I did give OJ a partial refund of $200!
Eventually, PayPal decided the case in my favor. Had OJ asked to return the bass for a full refund, PayPal woudl have decided in his favor.
* OJ decided to air his grievances on a public forum and continues to insult us.

I would have gladly taken the bass back and given a full refund. As is the case with every instrument we sell.
OJ  did not want to return the bass, he only wanted a very large partial refund. He was not flexible in any way.


To be blunt, the amount he wanted was way more than was warranted for the issues.
I was really confused, if he was so disappointed and upset, then why not just return the bass.

All this aside, it is one thing to be disappointed, it is completely another thing to take the grievances to a public forum such as this.



We stand by everything we sell. Always have, always will.


If any of you have any questions , I will be happy to talk privately. However I will not respond any further to this thread.

Perhaps the mods should just lock or delete this altogether.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2021, 03:15:23 PM by Jon »

OJ Dorson

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2021, 07:35:21 AM »
I asked for $250 - a little more than half of the cost of the $460 re-fret. You refunded me $100, not $200, and you were rude and insulting. Please, go ahead and send the other $100 you claim to have given me at your earliest convenience and I'll feel like you met me halfway and even forgive the way you treated me. The rest of your long rant is similarly inaccurate, and I don't feel the need to defend against your false projection of me. The pictures of the frets as received from you speak for themselves.

jwright9

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2021, 08:22:57 AM »
Yeah, at first you asked for $250, and THEN you asked for $845 and opened a PayPal dispute when I said no.

OJ, I have PayPal records to prove that you were asking for $845 and also to prove that I sent $200 in refunds. I first sent $100 and then another $100.
You have made false claims and exaggerated. You claimed that there were issues with the electronics (there were not), and you claimed that I swapped out the ds-5 with a boogieman, however, you are now using the same photos to sell the bass (without permission may I add) that clearly show a boogieman power supply sitting int eh case with the other accessories.
 
You could have returned the bass for a full refund. You did not, you only insisted on a huge partial refund and it felt like you were trying to extort money for lack of a better word.

I just don't understand why you wouldn't have returned it if you were as upset as you claimed to be. I am not obligated to grant buyers exorbitant partial refunds for exaggerated claims.





« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 08:27:49 AM by Jon »

jwright9

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2021, 08:32:40 AM »
Edited: I'd spend some time on the phone and ask lots of questions to make sure that I was comfortable with that seller before committing to buy. 

Good price, though, and a beautiful bass. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Wonderful, give us a call. Happy to talk. Also, take a look at our stellar feedback on Ebay and Reverb. Thousands of satisfied customers.
100% positive reviews on both platforms. Contact info (email and phone number) is listed on our website homepage.
https://sunridgeguitars.com

https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/sunridgeguitars


https://reverb.com/shop/jonws-gear-emporium/feedback



OJ, if you are going to continue to slander me here then I am going to defend myself and reputation.
We have a satisfaction guaranteed policy and do everything we can to make sure our customers are totally satisfied.
That said, we are not obligated to grant large partial refunds based on exaggerated claims.


« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 08:39:36 AM by Jon »

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2021, 08:37:57 AM »
Gentlemen,  while this is way too common all over the internet, it is not done here.

jwright9

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 08:40:32 AM »
Gentlemen,  while this is way too common all over the internet, it is not done here.

Exactly! I hope the mods delete or lock this thread and all others where OJ has decided to take his beef here.
I have refrained from responding to OJ's exaggerated claims for months now. But enough is enough and if he is allowed to talk trash here about me and my reputation then certainly I can respond with my side.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 08:42:40 AM by Jon »

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Re: Pretty Epic fs on EBay
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2021, 09:40:13 AM »
The moderators don't have to do too much moderating here on the club as this community has come to value this place as something of an oasis on the web, and you all tend to do the moderating without our intervention.  All of our members seem to know the expectations of the other members on how we as a community wish this space to be.

I've locked this thread as things seem to be escalating rapidly.

This appears to be the third thread this disagreement has spilled into.  Please do not start up again in another.

For now, it might be helpful for all of us that we assume that no one here intended to hurt the other in the transaction or in comments made in our club as a result of the transaction, and that no one intended to harm the reputation of the other.

Many of us, maybe most, sell stuff from time to time on ebay or reverb, some more than others, and a few as their principal way to make a living.  We all want to maintain a good reputation and are understandably concerned when transactions don't go well.

And many of us, maybe most, buy stuff on ebay, reverb, craigslist, etc., and we are all wary of the risks involved, and it is understandable that we share information with each other about instruments and sellers we run across.

It can be helpful, in all our endeavors, to be understanding of the concerns of others, and to be compassionate.  Our world has a lot going on right now that many feel stressed about, and an increase in understanding and compassion in our world is needed from all of us and for all of us.  Let's continue to hold this club as an oasis.  For all of us.