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Live Music Attendance Requirements
« on: September 19, 2021, 10:40:36 AM »
Wondering how live music venues in other parts of the country are responding to the need to keep people safe while still being able to fill seats during the pandemic. Here in MN it's really a crap shoot with some promoters and venues requiring proof of vaccination and/or masks and others requiring nothing at all. Unfortunately, venues are often not posting requirements until a day or two before a show. Last night, I passed up on attending a concert for which I paid $140 for 2 tickets because neither masks now vax proof were required. The same groups that I had wanted to see and hear live had a show the previous night a little bit further from where I live but well within driving distance that required both protections. I certainly would have attended that show if only I had known in advance how the venue was going to handle protecting attendees.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2021, 11:33:03 AM »
Personally, I’m not ready to attend any indoor events.   Nor am I about to attend any large outdoor gatherings just yet.   I’m just beginning to get comfortable with indoor rehearsal and jams, so long as everyone is vaxxed.

Bill, tgo (who wonders why no one is complaining about the government taking away our freedom to drive through red lights or eat in restaurants naked?) 

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2021, 12:29:41 PM »
My wife and I both feel the same way as Bill does, not quite ready to be in a large gathering of people even outdoors. We went to one small indoor event a month or so ago as the delta surge started and were pretty much the only people in the room wearing masks. Supposedly everyone was vaccinated but no proof was required and at least one attendee did not make it because they had gotten a breakthrough infection. Personally I think all venues should require proof of vaccination and make that clear at the time you purchase your ticket.

As much as we would love to return to normal, whatever that is, nothing is 100% close to normal yet, everything we do is overlaid with a reminder of the pandemic. I was without a car for the last 6 weeks since one of the "many fine people" out there swiped the catalytic converter off my Honda CRV. Naturally parts were back ordered and due to the current Covid-induced rental car shortageI I could not find a rental car, especially for the amount the insurance was willing to pay per day. When we finally picked up my repaired car from the Honda dealership it looked like a ghost town there. Very few cars on the lot and no shoppers or even people having cars serviced. The service advisor I deal with said they usually have 3-400 new cars for sale on the lot, currently they have 30 and were told to expect a 40% reduction in the next shipment. One of the chip factories burned down, there are all sorts of Covid related shipping delays etc. So what should have seemed like a normal trip to the dealership instead felt surreal. The psychological effects of this are going to be with us for a long time.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2021, 04:32:38 AM »
I have done 4 gigs this year,  one large outdoor festival, and two pub gigs outdoors and under cover and one on Friday which was indoors at a medium sized venue which had 150 people seated in distanced groups. All of those venues I wore a mask until I got on stage, the indoor one had a big sign on the door that there would be no entry unless you had a mask on. I got to reception, none of the staff were wearing masks, none of the bar staff or security staff bar one. Hardly off the stage crew, other performers backstage in shared dressing rooms had masks on either.  There were some in the audience and camera crews wearing them but. I thought why have  big notice and not enforce it. 
Like Bill, tgo I am not ready for shoulder to shoulder gigs inside or out at the moment. Maybe once the incidence of infections have reduced considerably I will do that. I am going to be driving myself to gigs and not travelling in the van to reduce my exposure for a while.
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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2021, 06:06:24 AM »
Like many of you I am confused by the aversion to wearing a mask.

We went to the State Fair awhile back (majority of the grounds/events are open air). 
A friend asked why I was wearing a mask in the open air. 
I told him: “People look at my funny and then they stay away from me!”
Those are most likely people I don’t want near me anyways…

I have not gone to any shows and currently am playing bass on project work in my basement alone.

There is an upcoming show I do not want to miss at a well known indoor venue that has very ‘middle of the road guidelines’.
The act has well defined guidelines for proving vaccination and /or negative test results and urges masks to be worn.  These would supersede the venues guidelines.

I am truly on the fence about attending.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2021, 08:52:10 AM »
I'm not really sure what's going on around Chicago. I thought we had a new mask mandate in place, but Friday night, my wife and I went to the grand re-opening of a small music club/bar & grill in the 'burbs and there were no signs or masks in sight. We left because of the general overcrowding, but the lack of masks did not help with the comfort level.

I did a run of 15 gigs in 6 states over the summer. Mostly outdoors except for two. No masks anywhere. I wasn't TOO worried about it since I'm fully vaxxed, but with the more recent surge, I'm glad I'm off for a while.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2021, 04:36:56 AM »
There were a few masks at Dead and Company at Wrigley Friday and Saturday.  Few! No distancing to speak of at all.

The band was great.  Mickey and Bill are really bringing Igual into the fold since he got horned.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2021, 09:17:26 AM »
I wear my mask.  Except when I'm smoking a Joint...

Damn covid, can’t even pass a joint anymore!

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2021, 09:35:39 AM »
I wear my mask.  Except when I'm smoking a Joint...

Damn covid, can’t even pass a joint anymore!

Bill, tgo (“please covid that joint, my friend, don’t pass it over to me”)

I seem to recall one night last year on my balcony.....

(And I am highly honored at the level of trust that showed).

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2021, 12:34:41 PM »
I plead the fifth!

More seriously, I not only appreciated how seriously you guys appeared to be taking the pandemic, but that you even allowed me to enter your humble abode.  On the way back with Nicky, (my son),  last year, a friend of 45+ years wouldn't even let us sleep in a tent in his backyard in Colorado (to be fair, it was his wife who banned us).

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2021, 06:46:10 AM »
There is a comparison I can relate now.

D&C at Wrigley required proof of vax or a neg test 72 hours before the show to enter. No neg tests allowed in the pit non vaxed.  They did give a cool wristband that was good for both days as proof of..proof!

Primus at the Chicago theater had no vax or test verification, all should wear masks.  I say should because many many people were not.  I had someone in a middle a row get yelled at by security for now having their mask on, even though many around them did not have theirs on.

D&C were great.  Primus did the entire Farewell to Kings album using Alex and Geddys instruments! 

Didn't care I had to wear a mask.  I'm vaxed.  It is surprising to have so many people not care of their fellow humans.  I'm just glad to see these shows.  Santana at Tinley next summer...got my mask ready!


And I may pass a joint to my friend but I'm still at the stranger danger phase.
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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2021, 11:10:50 AM »
There is a comparison I can relate now.

D&C at Wrigley required proof of vax or a neg test 72 hours before the show to enter. No neg tests allowed in the pit non vaxed.  They did give a cool wristband that was good for both days as proof of..proof!

Primus at the Chicago theater had no vax or test verification, all should wear masks.  I say should because many many people were not.  I had someone in a middle a row get yelled at by security for now having their mask on, even though many around them did not have theirs on.

D&C were great.  Primus did the entire Farewell to Kings album using Alex and Geddys instruments! 

Didn't care I had to wear a mask.  I'm vaxed.  It is surprising to have so many people not care of their fellow humans.  I'm just glad to see these shows.  Santana at Tinley next summer...got my mask ready!


And I may pass a joint to my friend but I'm still at the stranger danger phase.


D&C?

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2021, 11:14:59 AM »
D&C?

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2021, 12:47:47 PM »
D&C?

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Dead & Company, as in a couple of old hands, John Mayer and Oteil Burbridge.

Ah, yes - of course.  Silly me.

Thanks, Adriaan.

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Re: Live Music Attendance Requirements
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2021, 01:30:00 PM »
I had to pass up free tickets to a show I would like to have seen just last weekend. The venue required a vax card and masks. So I had to pass.

So I guess I'll be the lone dissenter here, and I hope that doesn't come with condemnation. I am un-vaccinated and will remain so until the medical field at large figures out how the ham-sandwich this virus works. I do believe they will, in time, but right now it is changing faster than they can adjust to the mutations. I understand the need to do something, and do it fast because so many were sick. I am the last person who needs to be told. My parents had it severely. Hell, I had it. Most of the people I work with did too, and we were expected to be at work if the Black Plague was going around. Just buried one of my friends ashes. Guess what - he was vaxxed. It found a way in and shut down his kidneys. In two weeks he was gone.

Another of my very close friends had her daughter vaxxed just so she could go back to school. She's had severe abdominal bleeding and can't keep food down. Now a formerly healthy, athletic 20-year girl has lost 37 pounds since July. Her aunt and mother-in-law were both sickened by the same vaccine, one badly enough to be hospitalized and cautioned against the follow-up dose. Annecdotal? Maybe. But I know these people. Nobody wants to talk about it because it is seen as anti-vaccine speech. She just about lost three family members to pressure for this stuff, one of them her oldest child.

So no, I won't be lining up to get a shot that maybe doesn't even work anymore. I don't have that much to live for, or to lose. Like I said, I had the original virus last year, I am not that worried about getting one of new strains running around. There's absolutely no medical evidence that says I'd be any worse off than last time, and there's a lot of question about how much natural immunity plays into how susceptible I really am. I'm not against getting vaccinated, and when they get it right, I'm there. You can test me to hell and gone meantime. I'd be willin' to slip a $20 for a positive test for the two weeks off. For the record, the Girl in the Pink Floppy Hat is positively furious with me over this decision. She's double-vaxxed, and saran-wrapped, and still scared to death. It's not the biggest fight we've ever had, but it's a close second. There are times when it's good to have about a 3500 mile head start on her.

Seriously, worst of all, in the beginning of this pandemic, I hoped if nothing else we'd learn some lessons... how to take care of each other, how to survive on less, how to produce things again, that somehow we'd put aside differences and try to get along. "We're all in this together" was the buzz phrase. No we ain't. We haven't learned a damn thing. We still don't make anything here, so when the shelves go empty, people go indiscriminately crazy and hoard. We can't even agree on how to get out of a crisis. We're blaming each other for it now. I'm just an observer, not a participant. I have no idea who I caught the virus from, and I don't care. I don't know who I caught the last cold I had from either. It doesn't matter. I don't remember ever sharing a joint at a concert, but now probably ain't the best time. I just... I  won't add to the paranoia. I treat people the same way I always have. I think everybody has to deal with this in their own way. They have to find what their own comfort zone is and stay in it. If it isn't time for you to go back to a public place with a crowd, then yeah, don't do that. If you're someone like me who would just as soon not be surrounded by people who are freaked out by you not masked up and carrying a vax card, then stay away from those situations. I don't want anyone else to feel awkward around me, and the same thing, likewise. It's a strange time, but I have acclimated to it.

I'm not going to let it change me. I'm not going to be frightened, propagandized, or shamed into defeat. I don't think you can stop a virus from acting like a virus by making people stop acting like people. I'm going to take care of the people close to me, and keep doing what I'm supposed to. Eventually the really smart people will figure out how to kill this thing, and we can get back to concerts without all the etc.