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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2021, 04:53:53 PM »
Music is the expression of one’s being…All music is to be loved :)


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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2021, 07:36:08 PM »

Music is the expression of one’s being…All music is to be loved :)


^^^. That.

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2021, 07:51:57 PM »
Music is the expression of one’s being…All music is to be loved :)
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This reminds me of a quote from Bill Cosby, many many years ago before the scandals in recent history. It was the only time I ever heard him use an off-color word...

He was describing a conversation he had with someone extolling what they perceived to be the virtues of cocaine. When Cos asked them what they liked about it, they replied that "It makes you like a more intense YOU!" ..

To which Cos replied, "Ok, but what if you're an a$$hole?"

Kind of the same thing with music. There are definitely expressions of some beings in the business who are unworthy of love, at least for the vile violent misogynistic racist vulgar garbage they produce. So, yeah, there's definitely "music" I don't love. Then again....maybe it's not music in the first place. Yeah....that's it....;)....never mind. Not talking about a specific genre...there's good stuff in every genre. Some genres do seem to attract more garbage than others, but tnat's not the genre's fault.

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2021, 08:22:37 PM »
l
Peter... I hope things are going well for you and your wife.

As well as can be expected; we are, as they say in our "Golden Years"; my older brother tells me "The only thing golden about them is the stains in our drawers!"
She has had 3 shoulder replacements, has back trouble, is in Stage 3 (moderate - and, thankfully, holding steady thus far) kidney failure, and She has had somewhere in the area of 100 TIAs, which have left Her in the very early stages of Vascular Cognitive Impairment.  But She still thinks I'm wonderful (at least a fair percentage of the time.....), so things aren't too bad.  And no comments about the VCI leading to the "wonderful", please  ::)

As to me, there is a long and probably somewhat tedious thread elsewhere in re my recent physical misadventures, so I won't bore you with all that; I'll just say that today I had surgery for carpal tunnel release & middle finger trigger finger release on my left hand, so....let's just say I won't be sitting up playing all night tonight.  Hurts like a....well, it ain't fun.  But, at some point in the not-too-distant future I will be able to play all night.  The CT had limited me to 10-15 minutes most days for a couple years (the day the doc & I first decided to do it was, as it turned out, the day before all elective surgeries were cancelled....), and with the TF coming along a few weeks ago, it was to the point where I couldn't play at all (kind of hard to keep a rhythm going when your finger locks up then pops loose - quite painfully - as you try to change chords), and if I hadn't had the slicing done I never would have played again - which would have been no loss whatsoever to the world of guitar, I assure you - but disastrous for me.

When asked how I am, my 2 go-to answers are "Upringht and able to take nourishment", and "Older than dirt, but still above it".

lNot sure what you meant by "those who can actually DO it"...


In my experience, a large percentage of those who talk like David's respondent have never played a paying gig in their lives; their "jazz snobbery' is a compensation for their awareness of their various and sundry inadequacies.  I have known a fair number of both professional and highly skilled amateur jazz cats; most of them have no such attitude toward other genres, and in fact love both listening to and playing them.

....but anyway, here's a nice short biographical synopsis of Coltrane's life if you're interested.  Coltrane was one of the most driven, searching, dedicated musicians the world has ever seen.

https://www.johncoltrane.com/biography



Thanks for the link! I will check that out soon (insomnia leaves me glad for anything to do late at night, let alone read about a musical genius).  But, while 'Trane was absolutely amazing, and quite knowledgeable, as far as I know he was not, as David's correspondent implied, an academic; I seem to recall that he learned his stuff in a brief stint at community college, a spell in the Navy, and on stages.


As a capper, I will add two things: 
First, far too much (not all, not even a lot - just far too much) jazz is just unintelligible; it is the sonic equivalent of Abstract Impressionism - which I strongly suspect was mostly driven by a disdain for "hip, knowledgeable" critics and such:  "Let's see how silly we can be before they'll admit they don't get it". 
Second,  we should consider the possibility that playing less complex forms well enough to make them interesting can be at least as hard as making the more complex forms interesting (which should not be construed as saying I'm abandoning the Dead for Kiss.......)


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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2021, 11:00:35 AM »
I like jazz. I like playing bass and guitar to jazz. Songs like Giant Steps and Cherokee challenge me on both instruments. I also know what a m7b5 chord is and what scales to use on one, etc. However, I also like playing a tele on a fast country tune and slapping bass on Brick House! I guess I'm just not a purest... I am a snob about good coffee and beer though!

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 12:45:25 PM »
It’s interesting where these discussions go…it all started with a comical interview with a famous baseball player meant to put a smile on your face…when I read it, I was simply thinking about the Yogi-isms that he was famous for.  :)
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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2021, 03:20:14 PM »
I thought your original post was great - a light-hearted take on jazz.  I have passed it on to some of my musician friends who thought it was superb.  I sort of didn't expect such a detailed analysis of what makes, or doesn't, jazz from subsequent posts but I guess that is what an open forum is about.  I just enjoyed the fun side of the quote.
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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2021, 03:58:08 PM »
I thought your original post was great - a light-hearted take on jazz.  I have passed it on to some of my musician friends who thought it was superb.  I sort of didn't expect such a detailed analysis of what makes, or doesn't, jazz from subsequent posts but I guess that is what an open forum is about.  I just enjoyed the fun side of the quote.
Glynn
I - and number of players I forwarded it to - also thought it was great.  But, given how many things have been falsely attributed to Mark twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Albert Einstein, etc., I do wonder whether this was someone who was familiar with Mr. Berra's unique facility with the language & thought "Wouldn't it be funny if Yogi explained jazz?"

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2021, 04:18:13 PM »
I thought your original post was great - a light-hearted take on jazz.  I have passed it on to some of my musician friends who thought it was superb.  I sort of didn't expect such a detailed analysis of what makes, or doesn't, jazz from subsequent posts but I guess that is what an open forum is about.  I just enjoyed the fun side of the quote.
Glynn
I - and number of players I forwarded it to - also thought it was great.  But, given how many things have been falsely attributed to Mark twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Albert Einstein, etc., I do wonder whether this was someone who was familiar with Mr. Berra's unique facility with the language & thought "Wouldn't it be funny if Yogi explained jazz?"

Peter

I thought it was great, too, although I'd seen it before elsewhere. Also loved the satirical jazz show video. The digression into other topics, at least from my standpoint, wasn't driven by either post. I do think Peter is correct in that the original post was "in the style of Yogi" rather than actual Yogi.

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2021, 04:51:49 PM »
Well, I’ve posted this before, but always get a good chuckle from it…also, I play jazz in a local band and absolutely love it, and I’m also a deadhead :)


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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2021, 05:41:51 PM »
Beautiful!

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2021, 07:52:16 PM »
Leave it to Spinal Tap for the final word on Jazz!   8) ;D
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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2021, 08:26:22 PM »
I play jazz in a local band and absolutely love it, and I’m also a deadhead :)

I don’t find the two all that disparate.  I’ve often thought of the Dead trip as a jazz approach using rock ‘n roll tools.   And the other day I had Bitches Brew playing on the car CD player (yes, still use CDs and proud of it!) and was thinking how similar parts of it are to Dead space jams.  (One wonders, if Miles put out the album today, would the record company balk at the title as not PC?)

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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2021, 10:24:19 PM »
I play jazz in a local band and absolutely love it, and I’m also a deadhead :)

I don’t find the two all that disparate.  I’ve often thought of the Dead trip as a jazz approach using rock ‘n roll tools.   And the other day I had Bitches Brew playing on the car CD player (yes, still use CDs and proud of it!) and was thinking how similar parts of it are to Dead space jams.  (One wonders, if Miles put out the album today, would the record company balk at the title as not PC?)

Bill, tgo

I think I've told this before, but I once saw this quote from Mickey Hart:  "We use a rock lexicon with a jazz syntax."  Pretty much always summed them up for me.

I also wonder if they'd balk at Bitches Brew today - but allow Skullf**k......

If I may veer a bit further afield, the talk of acceptable albums reminds me I saw one of those "Worst Album Covers Ever" clickbait things; there was one that I forget the artist and the title - and I really wish I could forget the cover:  A red sports car behind a bodybuilder type in an "I'm a rock'n'roll badass" pose, wearing a blonde hair-metal 'do, tennis shoes, and - um - a state of extreme excitement, if you get my drift.  And nothing else.  Just Wrong.


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Re: Yogi Berra Explains Jazz
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2021, 03:45:55 AM »
Bill/Peter, I agree.  :)