Author Topic: Won some alembic bits in an off chance finding of a guitar equipment auction  (Read 2427 times)

jazzyvee

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Hi Jimmy i think to save confusion on this thread due me going off at a tangent about the crack in sound again, can we continue that conversation about gain structure stuff on this previous thread  https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25841.30
Then we can keep this one related to the alembic goodies I got hold of. Hope that's OK.

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Right, so...  The first issue with trying to swap these older pieces into your shorty are:

#1 your hum canceller is glued in place and not easy to swap out without literally using a hammer.  Sometimes they have to drill into it and use a giant screw to pull it out (or maybe I dreamt that, but I'm pretty sure about the hammer).  I kinda doubt you want to go that far to make an A to B comparison. 

#2, take a close look at the size of that "spare" hum coil and compare it to the one in your bass now.  There's a good chance it is NOT exactly the same.  And there's no way to know if it's the same depth.

#3, the connectors.  I lived through the transition period and actually have two (oddly, not three) adaptors that I got from Alembic way back when.  See the pic attached.  The tiny coax connectors on the pickup side are highly unusual (in audio) and I'd be surprised if your local repair guy had ever seen one - unless he also dabbles in microwave work.  Furthermore, these adaptors are to get from older model pickups to a newer model preamp card, not the other way around.  So assuming you don't want to bust out your hum coil, I don't know if there was ever an adaptor made to connect new pickups to an old card.  That could be rigged but you'd need to make a solder connection directly to the board.

So ... if you had these two adaptors that I'm looking at (and Mica may still have some) you could swap in the older pickups (assuming THEY fit) and connect them to your current preamp card to see what happens.  However ... does your bass have Ron's magical noise-reduction mod?  If so, those fine-tuned components will no longer do their job properly if you swap pickups or hum canceller...

I don't mean to throw water on your plans but I must also add that I believe any difference in TONE between old/new pickups, and old/new preamp boards, will be extremely subtle and very difficult to notice.  Alembic has never "cut corners" on components.  It's never about cost.  They only make changes if a component is no longer manufactured, or no longer made to the specs that they require.  There is no magic "pre-CBS", "best vintage" situation with Alembic, if you see what I mean.


Jimmy J
In respect to 1 & 2, I don't really want to remove the hum canceller if it is going to be a destructive process for risk of damage to the bass and also that they may not be the same size as you now suggest could be a possibility.

3, the electronics guy I am thinking of is someone who repairs radio and TV equipment both vintage and modern day stuff so there is the possibility he will know where to get them even if he doesn't have them himself.
I do have a mate (also a bass player) who has a business installing and setting up Cell phone networks and repairing RF equipment for Taxi's and security companies so hhe may be able to get hold of some.

My shorty does not have the noise reduction system and I believe these pickups in it are now slightly microphonic although they still sound great. As for the difference in new and vintage pickups, i'm sure you are right though it would be good to know that these new bits actually are useable in the event of me needing to utilise them at some point.  I will contact Mica to see if I can order some connectors if I can't get any made locally. Thanks again for your input. :-)
 
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Hi Jimmy i think to save confusion on this thread due me going off at a tangent about the crack in sound again, can we continue that conversation about gain structure stuff on this previous thread  https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25841.30
Then we can keep this one related to the alembic goodies I got hold of. Hope that's OK.
I knew we had started talking about this somewhere, so I'll be over there too...

So really, to try the old pickups with your current preamp card these little adaptors would do he trick.  If Mica doesn't have any left, tell me here and perhaps I can send these two over.  (My oldest bass is a 1980 and the connectors, and the chips had already changed by that time.) The alternative is to cut the pickup leads and put on the new style connectors, which would likely be easier to source. 

Jimmy J

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Thanks Jimmy, so kind. The bass I have these bits in mind for is a 1980 series I shorty. I will make some calls and see what I can find.
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not to butt in but:

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I'd be surprised if your local repair guy had ever seen one - unless he also dabbles in microwave work. 

you just made an old electrical engineer smile!
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My 2 cents worth:
I believe the hum canceller will either break loose with one quick tap or not at all. The ones I have worked on would not come loose. I have put other pickups into a older series which still retained it's original hum PUP with no adverse problems. The old style Molex connectors on the older series instruments used a special tool to crimp them onto the wire.

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If I am not mistaken , it was once mentioned in this forum regarding an individual whom worked for Alembic that liked to use epoxy to glue in hum cancellers . Beware of the use of force , 8)  Mayest it prudent be,  to be careful ?

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Ok I just plugged it into my rack and here is what I found. From the front
A  to input 1 of F-2B, B to input 2 of F-2B
output from F-2b outputs A & B to the respective the rear jacks in IN-2 marked "from preamp to lo-z output" then
output A and output B from IN-2  to individual left and right channels of my Power amp.
Bingo all worked first time no noise interference. Just sound. :-)

What I need now is to get my SF-2 into the signal chain somehow. If I take the rear outs from the F2b to the A and B inputs on the back of the SF-2 then the outputs of the SF-2 to the power amp via the "from preamp to lo-z output" or even just direct to power amp I still get a huge CRACK sound when i play notes. The only way I can get rid of that noise is to put the SF-2 in front of the F-2B but then I have to take the A &b B outs from the front of the IN-2 via long cables routed around the outside of the rack to rear and into the SF-2 A & B, then the outs of the SF-2 all the way round to the front of the rack to the F-2B inputs then out of the back of the F-2B to the power amp either  via In-2 or direct to power amp input.  Which is quite untidy.

I'm a bit stuck with an alternative wiring strategy at the moment.


I ran into the same problem. Frankly, I just took the SF-2 out of my rig, after much frustration. I really don't want to have wires going back to front and front to back and all that. If you figure it out, let me know!

I do think the way that the IN-2 and F-2B interface is brilliant. I have also wired it with further effects between the F-2B and the returns on the IN-2. That worked out quite well.

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Hi Edwin, i managed to find a solution that seems to be heading in the right direction without any wires going front to back. See my most recent post here.
https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25841.30
« Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 11:15:17 PM by jazzyvee »
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Right, so...  The first issue with trying to swap these older pieces into your shorty are:

#1 your hum canceller is glued in place and not easy to swap out without literally using a hammer.  Sometimes they have to drill into it and use a giant screw to pull it out (or maybe I dreamt that, but I'm pretty sure about the hammer).  I kinda doubt you want to go that far to make an A to B comparison. 

#2, take a close look at the size of that "spare" hum coil and compare it to the one in your bass now.  There's a good chance it is NOT exactly the same.  And there's no way to know if it's the same depth.

#3, the connectors.  I lived through the transition period and actually have two (oddly, not three) adaptors that I got from Alembic way back when.  See the pic attached.  The tiny coax connectors on the pickup side are highly unusual (in audio) and I'd be surprised if your local repair guy had ever seen one - unless he also dabbles in microwave work.  Furthermore, these adaptors are to get from older model pickups to a newer model preamp card, not the other way around.  So assuming you don't want to bust out your hum coil, I don't know if there was ever an adaptor made to connect new pickups to an old card.  That could be rigged but you'd need to make a solder connection directly to the board.

So ... if you had these two adaptors that I'm looking at (and Mica may still have some) you could swap in the older pickups (assuming THEY fit) and connect them to your current preamp card to see what happens.  However ... does your bass have Ron's magical noise-reduction mod?  If so, those fine-tuned components will no longer do their job properly if you swap pickups or hum canceller...

I don't mean to throw water on your plans but I must also add that I believe any difference in TONE between old/new pickups, and old/new preamp boards, will be extremely subtle and very difficult to notice.  Alembic has never "cut corners" on components.  It's never about cost.  They only make changes if a component is no longer manufactured, or no longer made to the specs that they require.  There is no magic "pre-CBS", "best vintage" situation with Alembic, if you see what I mean.


Jimmy J
Hi Jimmy, i called Mica last night and she is organising some adaptor cables so i can connect any combination of my bits together, so hopefully the new pickups will work quietly with the old hum canceller..  👍🏾
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 06:47:30 AM by jazzyvee »
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Alright then!  Let us know how the experimenting goes.
That is such a great collection of parts....  8)

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I will, Mica did indicate that the pickups and the hum-cancellers and pickups are a matched set so there is a chance that when I install the new pickups I may experience some directional interference.  Fingers crossed that does not happen. But since there are only three pickups and two hum-cancellers, who knows the right combination even if I was to remove the existing hum-canceller in my bass.
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Good morning, Jazzyvee


Congrats !  I got 3 of the unused bridges, from the same auction.


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Cool, are they the right size for your bass. I got three but only one is the right size for my bass. So when i can find out how much they could sell for i will let them go.
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Well, I will need one for a Starfire project, in the near future. Or two Starfire projects.