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Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« on: September 09, 2020, 06:54:44 AM »
Not Alembic but I thought you all would find this interesting.  Spyder body, through neck and cool sliding pickup design.

https://www.themusiczoo.com/products/tom-lieber-thos-shazar-guitars-john-entwistle-bass
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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 07:54:06 AM »
whooo!
well, that's a face (bass) only a mother could love.
interesting it's a medium scale.
13.5 lbs! - better strap on yer back brace for this one!
$11899 USD!  good luck with that.

it's been my experience with pointy basses over years (this one's borderline pointy.  but close enough to qualify) that you need your space on stage or somebody's (usually the lead singer) is either gonna get an eye poked out or hit in the back of the noggin with a long pointy headstock.

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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 08:00:07 AM »
whooo!
well, that's a face (bass) only a mother could love.
interesting it's a medium scale.
13.5 lbs! - better strap on yer back brace for this one!
$11899 USD!  good luck with that.

it's been my experience with pointy basses over years (this one's borderline pointy.  but close enough to qualify) that you need your space on stage or somebody's (usually the lead singer) is either gonna get an eye poked out or hit in the back of the noggin with a long pointy headstock.



Serves the singer right for invading our space. After all they have the rest of the stage to run around in.

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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2020, 08:11:17 AM »
Dubious provenance.  JE "ordered" a bass.....never took possession....
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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2020, 03:14:58 PM »
The E , A, and G strings look like they fan out a little from the saddles to the tailpiece rather than running straight.   The D strings does appear to be straight.   The strings are significantly asymmetrical as they pass over the sliding pickup pieces.    Is that nit-picking for a $12K bass?

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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2020, 08:36:59 PM »
The E , A, and G strings look like they fan out a little from the saddles to the tailpiece rather than running straight.   The D strings does appear to be straight.   The strings are significantly asymmetrical as they pass over the sliding pickup pieces.    Is that nit-picking for a $12K bass?

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Perhaps, yes.

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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2020, 07:04:47 AM »
Total fail on the headstock design and the contraption behind the nut.

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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2020, 08:06:29 AM »
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Total fail on the headstock design and the contraption behind the nut.

oh, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  until you mentioned it, i didn't even notice it.  I wonder if JE ordered that blue tape under the E string?  OMG!  That's like something that i'd find on the floor out in electrical shop that didn't make it into the dumpster!   First time i've ever see strings pass under the nut.  Whooo00OO00oo!

correction - i guess technically that's a 0th fret.  but still...  yikes!
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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2020, 09:36:41 AM »
Only the G string is in it's "slot".  :-\
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Re: Entwistle Tom Lieber bass - non-Alembic
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2020, 10:15:19 AM »
**killing a little time in between layouts**

the more i look at that, the more it bothers me.  The upward force on that "nut" or whatever you call it has to be tremendous given the short distance between the 0th fret and the string guides, especially on the E and G string.  The neck is pretty thin there and the screws don't pass through it (thankfully), so there's not a lot of wood for the screw threads to grab onto.  Probably wouldn't take too much of a mistake (like overtightening a string while tuning it or stretching one to flatten it) to get the whole thing to pull right out.  Putting new strings on this must be a real chore, especially the E and G strings, where you have to make a sharp bend either to the peg or string guide.  I'd guess this is probably why the other strings aren't in their slots:  there's not a straight shot between the slot and the string termination and the string tension is too much to keep them slotted.  If this was a long scale bass, the string tension would probably be enough to overcome that whole headstock assembly and make for an interesting catastrophic failure.  I'm no luthier (i don't even play one on TV) but anytime you have a string have to bend in a sharp angle is trouble.  That probably explains all the scratches in the area between the 0th fret and the contraption.  Pretty sure you'd be risking several pokes in the finger with a sharp string end while trying to thread one through that nightmare. 

so - at $11899 USD, we have yet another shining example of a high-priced pig in a poke.  good luck to the seller, hope ya didn't pay too much for that fine example of craftsmanship.  But i'll bet you did. you'd probably be better off parting in out.  imho, of course.
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