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el8ed

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Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« on: September 03, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
Hello,
I am the recent proud devotee of a Short Scale Series II Standard in Cocobolo and have been wondering ever since what a fretless equivalent would sound like. I believe I heard Ms. Coco whisper she wants a sister :)


Does anyone have first-hand experience with a creation of this kind?
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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2020, 07:25:03 PM »
I found this picture of a Series II Small Body Fretless in Burl Walnut, but didn't see one in Coco Bolo in my brief search.  Mica and Susan can find something for you that would look beautiful, and they can tell you what it would sound like too.

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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2020, 11:52:07 PM »
David, I think the owner of that fretless is a member of UK Basschat and has both series II short scale fretted and fretless basses so he would be a good person to communicate with. I will contact him and send him a link to this thread and he may join to offer some insight.
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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2020, 11:59:32 PM »
I communicated with him privately through that  forum recently as i thought he was selling his series II shorty. I pm’d him so hopefully he will contribute.
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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2020, 04:58:17 AM »
Hi all and thanks Jazzyvee for the invitation.

The bass in the image provided by David is mine - it's a Walnut Burl top as Jazzyvee suggests (and I think it's the 'example' bass for such facings on the Alembic pages).

I didn't spec the bass - this was done by the original purchaser (a good friend of mine in the UK) around 2007/8 when he ordered a pair.  A fretted small-bodies short scale in cocobolo and the fretless in burl walnut.  I bought the coco from him around late 2008 and then the fretless was offered to me last year (a long story). 

One of the benefits of the walnut is the weight - the fretless is much lighter than the fretted (really, a significant reduction).  It's difficult to comment on what might be added by the coco to a fretless.  There's certainly nothing lacking in the walnut.  The mids of the fretless are superb with a gorgeous bloom to each note.  It's worth noting that I change my right hand position when playing fretless and play much closer to the end of the fretboard.  On fretted, I tend to play between the pickups.  Changing playing position probably affects tone much more than the timbers in the bass.  There is nothing that I would change in the construction or spec of the fretless.  However, if I were speccing a fretless now, I may decide to go with a thick centre laminate of ebony.  There's nothing missing in the lower mids or bottom end but it's an aesthetic consideration and may (and I mean 'may') add something to the already phenomenal fundamental.  As you'll know the complex dynamics provided by the SII electronics imply that nothing is missed.  A big slab of ebony in the centre neck position may just add more weight to each notes (but who really knows?)  I may also go for more figured and flamed maple in the neck laminates but again, that's just aesthetics.  If I can add any more, please just let me know (and good luck - what a wonderful position to be able to contemplate the commission of a SII fretless!).  Thanks again to Jazzvee for the invitation

el8ed

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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2020, 11:31:24 AM »
and good luck - what a wonderful position to be able to contemplate the commission of a SII fretless

Thank you all for the great thoughts and contributions. That walnut fretless looks downright delicious!
For now I am more in the position of dreaming about a fretless shorty Series bass, but one never knows when that might change.

How would you characterize the tone of your walnut beauty compared to more traditional long-scale options like the venerable Jazz Bass?

I was also mulling the thought of turning a non-series Stanley Clarke into a fretless Jaco-style, i.e. remove the frets and fill up the gaps for instant fret liners. Any thoughts there?

Thanks for helping me dream.
Cheers,
Oliver
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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2020, 11:55:20 AM »
I removed the frets from a Precision bass and used thin maple veneer to fill the slots. It isn't a terribly difficult job and came out nice. When I worked on my bass I did it at my luthier friend Joseph Jesselli's shop using his bench, tools and guidance. If you don't have woodworking skills and the proper tools to pull the frets, level the veneer, sand the fingerboard etc. it is best to have a luthier do the conversion. Another issue to consider before converting is the location of the side markers, they normally go in a different place on a fretless. Doesn't bother me but it may bother you.


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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2020, 11:14:07 PM »

I was also mulling the thought of turning a non-series Stanley Clarke into a fretless Jaco-style, i.e. remove the frets and fill up the gaps for instant fret liners. Any thoughts there?
 


I keep dreaming about one of these HG Thor treatments.


http://www.woodwiz.com/epoxy/


There a Brown Bass pic in this thread with the HG Thor epoxy
http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=25627.15

el8ed

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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2020, 10:46:19 AM »
I keep dreaming about one of these HG Thor treatments.

That does indeed look tasty. Did you see the part about 4 years of lead time? Hmmm...
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Re: Fretless Short Scale Series I or II Standard
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2020, 02:00:33 PM »
um..hehe, No ..I missed that.
Darn  :)