Author Topic: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)  (Read 18818 times)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #735 on: March 25, 2025, 03:27:29 AM »
One of those time where I am quite happy to let the sales boys handle these situations... because that's what they do. I just fix guitars. I was kinda' looking forward to working on this one, and I still might get to eventually... but it's someone else's call now.

If nothing else, I found out where to get some aged pearloid trapezoids... I like Philadelphia L&T anyway.

Back to work on the pile. Got a client coming at 8:30 for a quick setup adjustment, then I'm out for our Tuesday morning coffee and guitar/mandolin jam at First XI Coffee. Then downtown to drop off/pick up more work at the store.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #736 on: March 30, 2025, 04:11:56 PM »

Ed of H!
Nice work as always!

Though the push stick in the mouth while using band saw would make for a fun story at the ER! LOL

Love the thread and all the cool projects - keep up the good work!

Zoey, our dog, is very much the center of her very narcissistic world, even when I'm trying to get work done, she insists on being involved in everything!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #737 on: March 31, 2025, 04:41:01 AM »
Hey Ed!

Yeah since retirement from the Waterworks gig last year, the Scroll Shop here is my day-job now. I miss the kids (really gotta' quit callin' them that..) I left running things, but they are about all I miss. The morning commute from the house to the shop here takes two sips of coffee if I walk slow. I don't post as much because most of the work I'm doing is for customers of a couple music stores and a teaching studio. I started feeling a little weird posting other folks' guitars, etc, so I save it for stuff I'm working on for either me or someone who I know won't care. There's that, and it's mostly just scut work... not particularly interesting. I sure am enjoying doing it though, and the flexibility of making my own schedule is great. What's more, it's turned into a pretty good part-time job... a steady stream of setup and repair work runs through here weekly.

The Dog & Man figurine project was fun... I did those for my Dad and his little dog Rosie, and an extra set went to a neighbor who has a Yapping Spaniel I like to mess with. I get my fill playing games with Rosie every week too... that dog is like a golfball teed up in a tile bathroom.

Hoping you end up with that '76 Series I for a project. That purpleheart is some pretty stuff.  ;)
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #738 on: April 28, 2025, 02:19:50 PM »
I'm jealous!
unfortunately, a few years left for me before I can punch out of that clock, and since my work, (I'm a re-recording mixer) has not been the same since the writer strikes, actors strikes, covid, and work contraction affecting Hollywood, I feel fortunate to still be working as much as I do.
However, it does get in the way of fun projects!! 
Working on these wonderful basses are a fun puzzle.
The reward for me being I get to play it when its done!
Cannot say enough great things about this club and the people like yourself who reach out to strangers with incredible help.
Very much admire your work and the projects you have done. 
Glad to see you are enjoying the work after retirement!  Jealous of that arduous commute!
Keep up the great work and the updates and projects( with ownership permission of course!)
Thanks again
Talk soon
E

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #739 on: May 02, 2025, 06:08:12 AM »
Thought I'd share a couple pictures of a pretty cool project I just finished up. This one wasn't for either of the stores or the teaching studio, in fact this old banjo is actually going up for sale now that it's playable/saleable, along with a couple more instruments I've repaired for this guy. He's a longtime player, collector and seller, now retired and downsizing.

So anyway, the thing was literally a case full of parts when I got it last Winter. (sorry, no before pics...) Most of the work was involved with the neck. The old binding was a crumbled mess. The pearl and abalone inlays were very fragile and several pieces were missing. The angle of the dowelstick from the neck-through construction of the time was tragically shallow, and had been drilled for a crude reinforcement called a "shackle" commonly seen on turn-of-the-century banjos. The pot assembly was in remarkably good shape. To start with, it was still fairly true and round, very little warping. Most of the hooks and nuts were there and matched. The nickel plating looked nice, and a bit worn off to the brass sleeve of the spun-over rim. The original tailpiece was date-stamped May, 1884. This was a nice banjo. I was asked to return it to playable condition, and make it presentable, but leave the patina of 140 years.

I did away with the original dowelstick. Amputation? Yeah, I guess. I did save it, but it's function has been replaced by a modern coordinator rod that secures the neck to the shell by way of a pair of lag bolts threaded into the heel of the neck. The neck heel is fitted to the round rim at the draught angle desired. The rod can be adjusted for length at the tailpiece end by its threads, and locked in place by the 1/2" nuts. This also meant the square hole in the rim once occupied by the dowelstick and screw hole at the the opposite had to be plugged and sealed. I made a wood plug to fit exactly, a piece of dowel, epoxied in place, flushed up both sides, then hid my work under a decorative plate fastened to the inside. The outside I hid under a small piece of aluminum tape behind the tailpiece bracket... seen, but probably unnoticed. After the structure work on the shell was done, it was a matter of drilling and tapping, then fitting the old neck back to its pot assembly.

When I was sure everything was going to line up right... well... reassembly. I put a new 'Renaissance' style head on, and put it all back together. The new synthetic gut strings are still stretching out.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #740 on: May 02, 2025, 06:15:16 AM »
Finished pictures... (in my coffee break chair) This one checks out next week,  but my banjo test pilot is coming by this weekend to give it a run.




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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #741 on: May 02, 2025, 07:54:05 AM »
This was a nice banjo. I was asked to return it to playable condition, and make it presentable, but leave the patina of 140 years.

In the vintage motorcycle community, this is known as doing a "rusteration".

The new synthetic gut strings are still stretching out.

I assume that is different than nylon?  How so?

As always, excellent work, my friend!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #742 on: May 02, 2025, 03:31:27 PM »
Thats a puzzle for sure!
I wouldn't know the first thing to do with that.
Beautiful work as always! 
That fret board is a thing of beauty...love the scrolling.


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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #743 on: May 03, 2025, 05:50:14 AM »

The new synthetic gut strings are still stretching out.

I assume that is different than nylon?  How so?

As always, excellent work, my friend!

Peter



Nah, Nylgut... that's gotta' mean nylon... I suppose it's just a trade name for the brand. You can even get them in different colors. Basically just classical strings gauged for banjo. They make these for ukes too.


Thats a puzzle for sure!
I wouldn't know the first thing to do with that.
Beautiful work as always! 
That fret board is a thing of beauty...love the scrolling.



They’ve all got stories... and sometimes there are little clues. If you look closely at the picture showing the fingerboard, you can see it's been played completely through in a couple places in the first position. The ornately inlaid fingerboard and headstock veneer I'm fairly sure are turn-of-the-century upgrades to the original build. Both are very thin. A banjo made at the time the main parts of this one was that has rather plain spun-over rim and stock bracket shoes, you would not expect to see with a presentation grade neck. And the neck really isn't when you look closer... it was "dressed-up" after the fact. That happened quite a bit. This banjo was played a lot, probably by a professional performer, and one successful enough to afford such work. The inlays are most likely imported from Italy or somewhere else in Eastern Europe where there were quite a few skilled artisans who did this kind of work. You'll occasionally find fiddles with pretty pearl and abalone inlays like this too. Better shops here in America would buy these pre-inlaid fingerboards and accessories and perform upcycling modifications on older instruments even long ago. Truthfully, I bet this was a very plain banjo when it was new, but at some point its original frets and fingerboard became so worn that it required replacement. At that point, it was overlaid with this set, and binding added to hide the joint. The mechanical friction pegs are another tell. I would expect it came with wood pegs. The metal cladding on the old dowelstick... I didn't  remove it to check, but I bet it's hiding another repair. All clues that someone long ago did a major overhaul on my 'patient' here. I just happened to be lucky enough to be the next guy.


(see, this is why I didn't just toss the stick and unused mounting hardware in the scrap box... it stays with the banjo)  :)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #744 on: May 03, 2025, 06:46:20 AM »
... They’ve all got stories... and sometimes there are little clues. If you look closely at the picture showing the fingerboard, you can see it's been played completely through in a couple places in the first position. The ornately inlaid fingerboard and headstock veneer I'm fairly sure are turn-of-the-century upgrades to the original build. Both are very thin. A banjo made at the time the main parts of this one was that has rather plain spun-over rim and stock bracket shoes, you would not expect to see with a presentation grade neck. And the neck really isn't when you look closer... it was "dressed-up" after the fact. That happened quite a bit. This banjo was played a lot, probably by a professional performer, and one successful enough to afford such work. The inlays are most likely imported from Italy or somewhere else in Eastern Europe where there were quite a few skilled artisans who did this kind of work. You'll occasionally find fiddles with pretty pearl and abalone inlays like this too. Better shops here in America would buy these pre-inlaid fingerboards and accessories and perform upcycling modifications on older instruments even long ago. Truthfully, I bet this was a very plain banjo when it was new, but at some point its original frets and fingerboard became so worn that it required replacement. At that point, it was overlaid with this set, and binding added to hide the joint. The mechanical friction pegs are another tell. I would expect it came with wood pegs. The metal cladding on the old dowelstick... I didn't  remove it to check, but I bet it's hiding another repair. All clues that someone long ago did a major overhaul on my 'patient' here. I just happened to be lucky enough to be the next guy.


(see, this is why I didn't just toss the stick and unused mounting hardware in the scrap box... it stays with the banjo)  :)

More stuff I didn't know; thanks!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #745 on: May 03, 2025, 10:54:10 AM »
Love it.  Tricks of the trade.  Do the best fix you can and hide the evidence...Sounds very crime drama...

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #746 on: May 04, 2025, 08:56:24 AM »
True craftsmanship.