Author Topic: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)  (Read 19270 times)

David Houck

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #345 on: February 09, 2023, 06:43:38 PM »
That's a nice one!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #346 on: February 12, 2023, 04:54:09 AM »
Honeytone #27 update-

It's a cold, rainy morning, here in Virginia, and up here in my Scroll Shop I am admiring the reanimated #27... finally a playable instrument again after several years of being decommissioned parts. Happy to report, it sounds amazing, passing my expectations, which is partly dumb luck, because I have never done a pot assembly quite like this one, but I can take a little bit of credit for the fitting, assembly and setup.

So like I was saying, this pot assembly is a little bit different in construction by virtue of being a block type, rather than a 3-ply rim, made like a drum. This is traditionally how banjo shells were made... three or four 1/4" layers of maple, wrapped into an 11" diameter hoop that once turned on a lathe, milled out to a 3/4" thick shell that could be machined further to fit whatever tonering or flange was to be used. But my donor shell here, it was made of maple blocks all glued together, then turned on the lathe. And our usual tonering of choice is a simple 11" diameter brass hoop, made of 1/4" stock. Rings like a bell, and produces very few unwanted harmonic overtones. Plus, it doesn't make an already inherently heavy instrument into a backbreaker. Trick is, it needs to sit, perched perfectly on a little seat, right at the peak of the shell, and I had to do this somewhat by hand, working to cut lines with rasps, files, and hand carving. The flat surface at the top was the easy part! After some finish-sanding, I assembled the whole pot assembly, 24 hooks and nuts hold that drum head taut under a new nickel-plated brass tension hoop, pulling up on a nickel-plated cast flange. Wow, that's a lot of shiny parts, destined to tarnish! I set it aside to work on the neck.

Fitting the old neck back to a new shell was a good exercise. Dad is fanatical about this fit... claims it is crucial to the overall sound of the instrument. I don't doubt that, just understanding how a string oscillates between two points, and anything that buffers that action is detrimental to it. So the heel of the neck needs to fit the shell. Unfortunately, the angle was a bit too steep, so I had to add a little shim to the lower heel. (adding a couple pics, so you can see how this works...) I put everything together a few times, and finally, when I had the bridge height just right in a dry-fit, I installed the neck to the pot assembly and snugged everything down. It was time to install the tuning machines and string it up...

Hang on, it's about to get good. :)
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #347 on: February 12, 2023, 05:20:19 AM »
I don't play banjo well enough to give this one a good run-in, so I had to call up a test-pilot. The thing about this part of the world... you can shake any good sized tree, and a half-dozen banjo-players will tumble out. Chances are, a couple of them will be really good ones... the rest, you may have to run off. My buddy Jake here is a multi-instrumentalist, and he ain't afraid to put on a set of picks and try some Scruggs-style banjo. (he's also a gifted frail-style banjoist, guitarist, mandolinist, bassist, and budding fiddler) Pretty happy with how this one sounds, just ten minutes off the workbench.

https://youtube.com/shorts/kl0XwfgDq2o?feature=share

I'll disassemble #27 next week sometime, and shoot a couple wash coats of walnut brown-dyed lacquer on that raw maple block rim to seal it, then after it cures, rubout and final reassembly. Here's a few pictures. For the official record, the neck is black walnut, (from a tree felled in Floyd County, Virginia) the resonator is made of burled walnut from my Dad's friend Bill Sullivan at First Quality Music Supply. (Bill is no longer with us...) We inlaid both neck and resonator with maple and rosewood accents, and a few little pearl dots. The fingerboard is Macassar ebony, inlaid with handcut MOP stars. All binding is ivoroid.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #348 on: February 12, 2023, 05:44:54 AM »
Nice work!   When I click on the video link it says private video.:)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #349 on: February 12, 2023, 05:52:48 AM »
Nice work!   When I click on the video link it says private video. :)

This is a really irritating feature of the new YouTube app, Rob... it forces the video to remain 'Private' until the premiere time. I'll repost it in a little bit.

*try it now.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #350 on: February 12, 2023, 07:05:48 AM »
That worked, sounds great!  :)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #351 on: February 12, 2023, 10:06:00 AM »
Beautiful instrument!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #352 on: February 12, 2023, 05:52:06 PM »
You are a Craftsman!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #353 on: February 16, 2023, 05:48:59 AM »
Preview for this weekend;

Setting up a 3/4-size cello for [victoriaofderby's] little-sister. After retiring from the USCG, she wants to be a cellist. I can help with that.

#28 may be ready for final assembly. I'm literally watching the finish dry. I wouldn't bet the farm on this one... I'm more likely to let it sit another week. I've been too close too many times to take a chance.

There's this cool little mandolin project... I believe it was a Chicago factory-made KayKraft. My banjo test-pilot brought it over, and I have reset the neck angle, and last night, glued the fingerboard back on.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #354 on: February 17, 2023, 05:26:35 AM »
Leveled and dressed up the old brass frets, then made a new bone nut for Jake's KayKraft mandolin last night... just a few more details to address, then we'll string it up.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #355 on: February 17, 2023, 06:45:18 AM »
Brass frets?  Well, I guess that's better than early Silvertones with aluminum frets......

Sharp-looking, though.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #356 on: February 18, 2023, 11:40:30 AM »
I finished up a few little details on the KayKraft mandolin last night, and restrung it this morning. Had to tweak the nut slot depth on a couple strings to final height. This is especially critical for intonation purposes on a mandolin... if one string of a course is a couple thousandths higher than the other, it notes sharper when a fretted note is played on that pair of strings.

And since Jake wasn't going to remount its original pickguard, we opted to fill the mounting screw holes with screws, rather than plug them permanently. To make it look like "we meant to do that", a couple brass shoulder washers and felt grommets give it a more finished look. The rest of the old hardware cleaned up okay, so right back in place.

I'll keep an eye on it for a couple days, but it feels very solid. Ready for another 50 years. (try finding a case to fit one of these!)

Back to work on banjos and cellos. ;D

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #357 on: February 18, 2023, 09:38:05 PM »
Sweet.  If I haven't said this before, i will now - you do amazing work, Greg!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #358 on: February 19, 2023, 06:06:19 AM »
I just hope this little self-help thread isn't obnoxiously boring for everyone else, Coz. I really enjoy my time up here... I brought my coffee up here this morning, and watched the sunrise through the windows, while I studied the next project laid out on the bench in front of me.

It's a long, rambling story, how I came to inherit two Kay cellos... maybe another time. I have lost count of how many Kay basses that I've worked on... it's hundreds. Not thousands yet, but at least five hundred in thirty-some years. Probably more than half the basses that come in here are Kay or Englehardt basses. I can count on the fingers of one hand the Kay cellos that ever came through here. I had a 1/2-size Kay cello in here a couple years ago. So now I have two more... a Model 55 (3/4-size) and a Model 75 (4/4-size), both date to the late 1950's, and have a stamp that indicates they once belonged to the local School Board. The other stampings, I think must be like a rack number, to remind the student or instructor where the instrument was to be stored. Like an ID number. They are both just husks, no serious repairs needed though, just clean-up and set-up.

So a couple weeks ago, my oldest, best-est inda' wurld sez to me, half-jokingly; "Hey, guess what... my little sister wants to learn to play cello!" "Seriously?!" "Yeah, she's all about it!" "Well, it turns out, I have some..." "You have have some what?" "Is this thing working? Cellos, Dearest, I have cellos... remember, I piddle a little in a shop?" It went on like that for a while until she was convinced I knew the difference between basses and cellos. Well, Sister Sailor, U.S. Coast Guard, Cmdr. (ret.) it turns out, has more time on her hands, and wants to learn cello. I got this one covered.

Dawn breaks on another morning in my Scroll Shop.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #359 on: February 19, 2023, 06:53:35 AM »
Nice.  We usually fast-forward through opening credits, but I drove Her crazy with Game Of Thrones by refusing to - because I love a nice cello line; for my money, the instrument closest to the human voice.

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