Author Topic: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)  (Read 19368 times)

David Houck

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #180 on: October 23, 2019, 08:00:46 PM »
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #181 on: October 29, 2019, 08:31:46 PM »
I saw this and immediately thought of you Gregory...
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/msg/d/madison-vintage-king-mortone-bass-blonde/6991896011.html

Is it standard practice to stick a wedge underneath the sound post? 
Not to mention the curly shim under the bridge....  I don’t think those “fixes” would ever leave your shop.
Scroll through images to see it.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #182 on: October 30, 2019, 05:43:44 AM »
Wow, look at that - another King MorTone! Looks to be in reasonably nice shape too.  :D

Actually Paul, if you look way back on Page 5, there's a picture of our King that shows that same wedge shaped shim where they obviously meant for the soundpost to be perched. I can only guess that it added some strength in pressure distribution... on some older laminated basses there is often a noticeable bump where the soundpost is trying to press through the back. Kay basses have this too, but it's a circular shape, like a donut. Yeah, that bridge shim they got under there makes me sad though... we'd have to fix that! 

Sorry to have been absent... life kinda' took over again. I was recently reassigned at work, and getting settled into the new gig is literally been taking up all the available headspace. There's a way to see it as a negative, but I'm taking it as a positive... with about two years left to pull in public service, I've been handed a very challenging, but entirely do-able assignment that I think I can do well. I'd like to finish the race, and retire from here as Chief Operator at this location.

More on that, and back to the Scroll Shop soon. In fact, I'll be up there tomorrow, Friday, and most of the weekend. Thanks for the King spotting... that's cool!  8)   

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #183 on: October 30, 2019, 05:55:16 AM »
Is that "bridge shim" the foil pickup for the Gage Realist installed on the bass?
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #184 on: October 30, 2019, 06:37:06 AM »
Sure is Michael, a David Gage Realist 'Copperhead'... I see it now. (looking at CL pictures on mobile = squint;D

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #185 on: October 30, 2019, 09:29:55 PM »
A proficient Chief Operator with an unwavering work ethic will be spoken about with reverence decades after he retires...

You just keep on keeping on!  :D

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2019, 09:30:25 AM »
The Double Bass workshop where the seller says it was repaired use to sell Bag End. Don't if they still do. The owner has some connection to folks Bag End and I was able to buy both of my 2X10 cabinets from them for what Beaver Felton told me was less than his cost. While I'm not knowledgeable on uprights I thought they had a good reputation for work and sales.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2019, 04:19:51 PM »
The Double Bass workshop where the seller says it was repaired use to sell Bag End. <SNIP> While I'm not knowledgeable on uprights I thought they had a good reputation for work and sales.

Keith
Thank you for sharing your experience with them.

My intent wasn't to infer anything bad about The Double Bass Workshop, it was to sing praise for my admiration of Gregory's attention to detail.


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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #188 on: November 02, 2019, 08:54:19 AM »
Wow, this week flew by. I only got in a couple hours in the shop, but at least made them count. Spent some time touching-up the veneer repairs around the edges, and recut the bridge. Thought I would share this bridge picture, just because it was such a nice piece of maple. This is what a very good quality bass bridge looks like, as opposed to the medium grade bridges I usually use in here. Note the grain and silking. Nice. Definitely worth saving and reusing. That's the diff between a $40 and an $80 bridge, in case anyone asks.

And for Paul, here's a look at the soundpost 'donut' in this Kay. I can't think of what a proper name would be for this, only what it's for. After setting the new soundpost, I'll snap a picture so you can see what it does in practice. For what it's worth, there isn't one of these on the top, though I have used that donut-shaped patch idea as a repair mechanism for a compromised or collapsed top.

Still have to replace the missing scroll ear. I'm trying to decide whether to do both. They'd match better, but it's more work, not really necessary. Might be one of those things it's best I let the customer decide on.

Lastly, here's what I've been up to... the waterworks utility I work for is starting up a brand-new membrane filtration plant in the next couple weeks, that will produce about 2 million gallons of water per day. For five years, from 2011-2017, I was the Lead Operator at a similar plant just across town that produces close to 5 million gallons a day, which is the reason they wanted me involved with the project I guess. After the start-up and pilot study are complete and the new plant officially goes online, my partner (a former trainee, and good friend of mine) will head up operations of the new plant, and I will return to my former assignment at the larger, older one. I've been away from there for the past 2-1/2 years, but coming back has been a nice, welcome change of scenery, if not a huge change of pace.

The new facility is called "Muse Spring", and it's kind of a mess in there right now, but it will all come together we're told, in a couple weeks.; The facility that will be my permanent assignment is called "Crystal Spring". (we're quite geologically blessed to have a lot of fresh groundwater springs here) I'll have to do another post on that place sometime. It has a fascinating history. The City of Roanoke, Virginia and who knows how many settlements before literally grew up around this enormous flowing spring.

Who wants to wreck that train? As I said, this will be a challenge, so I hung my shingle back out a couple weeks ago and got to work.

So finally, I'm up here whittling away again today. I hate to say it, but at some point I have to start raking leaves. Maybe tomorrow.  ::)
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #189 on: November 02, 2019, 06:14:50 PM »
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2019, 04:15:13 AM »
With apologies for the hiatus...

Cutting and setting a new soundpost, illustrated (best I could) In chronological order.

1. In this case, we have the old post to go by, and it fit pretty good... not too tight or loose, so it was a matter of measuring it closely and transposing that measurement to the new post stock, leaving it a little bit long so the ends could be trimmed. (remember, they aren't exactly flush-cut) If it hadn't fit, or I hadn't had the old one to go by, there's a tool that measures the front-to-back span for you.

2. Bandsaw it to length... zip. I take several passes, in a rolling motion. Note that I mark the post so that the grain is turned a certain direction, and I decide which end is going to be 'up'. This is important because the top is beveled more steeply than the bottom is. I don't know for certain why violin-makers turn soundposts this way, but they do. I suppose it has to do with resonance and distribution of vibration from the bridge to top to back. Turning it 90° perpendicular to the top's grain, or having it run directly with the top's grain might create some problems I don't fully understand. Anyway, I make a mark so it's oriented at a 45° angle. (see pic)

3. Beveling the ends is a lot of what I call "eyeballing" work, and it's the real work here of fitting the post. There are a couple tricks I'll share. I use the belt sander to get it close, checking often to see if the post will stand up on the arched top of the bass, that being the inverse of the inside. (see pic) Same process for the back, but much easier as the back is much flatter. At this point, I like to double-check the length to fit. Once you're there, then scrub the soundpost on sandpaper by hand until the ends are smooth and without burs. I use the table of my bandsaw to keep the ends true while sanding them. (see pic) Of course I finish-sand the whole thing when it's done and ready to be set. Not necessary, it's just another 'Greg Thing'.

4. Gotta' have a soundpost setter tool for this next part. They aren't expensive, but you cannot do this without one. Here's a good one.
https://www.internationalviolin.com/ProductDetail/t81_soundpost-setter-bass (a retriever is a very helpful item to have too!) Best $40 you ever spent, trust me. You use the sharp end to hold the post with, and the other end to tap, or alternately tug the post into place once you set it inside the bass. It should stand there held by friction, not tight, but not topple unless the top is gently released. Once the strings are tightened, it's held firmly in place.

5. Like this. (see pics) There is a much bigger discussion about soundpost location. I use a general location to get started, then move it around incrementally to see if there are any advantages or drawbacks from its setting. Generally speaking, I like for the center of the soundpost to be an inch to an inch and a quarter below the center of the treble foot of the bridge for starters.

Hope all that made some kind of sense. I'm trying to finish this one up this weekend, so maybe a big finale soon!
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #191 on: November 23, 2019, 06:45:10 AM »
Fascinating - I love that "roll-cut" you do , also.   Makes a lot of sense.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #192 on: November 23, 2019, 07:36:38 AM »
Cool!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #193 on: November 23, 2019, 08:32:30 AM »
Very cool; thanks for the tutorial!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #194 on: November 23, 2019, 11:39:32 AM »
Kinda' weird coincidences happen with uncanny, uncommon regularity with this old friend of mine... sometimes I think we're involuntarily connected through some cosmic frequency. Other times I wonder how we could be from the same quadrant of the universe. It's been that way for almost 40 years. Anyway, if she follows me here, I'm not aware of it, but I got this link from her a little while ago... said she saw it, and thought I might enjoy the aesthetic:

http://www.openculture.com/2018/09/behold-mystical-photographs-taken-inside-cello-double-bass-instruments.html?fbclid=IwAR2R88V57O7a4I8nEjRZndnUrfEGeW6E9EAXkIYwogfAEbHyheDNUSBa4rM

I did, and in the spirit of things related to the Scroll Shop, I thought I'd pass it on.