Author Topic: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)  (Read 19128 times)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #165 on: October 12, 2019, 07:34:35 AM »
Ah - I get it now; thanks.  So my life-long habit of completely unstringing to clean with every string change would not serve me as well on a violin-family ax, huh?

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #166 on: October 12, 2019, 10:08:42 AM »
Gregory, your experience/ confidence oozes from your words...  meanwhile I’m sitting here (over)thinking the whole Soundpost thing.  And certainly looking forward to your “Soundpost Fitting for Dummies” tutorial.

 Yea you need it to sit perpendicular and flush as possible to BOTH the front and back of the bass.  But each surface has it’s own profile and chances are good that they are not ‘mirrored’... and you are dealing with a 3\4” (?) diameter footprint... and all that goes with it.

Peter, from where I am sitting - yeah, you don’t want to pull all your violin strings off and bounce the Soundpost out of position (unless you are Gregory).


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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #167 on: October 19, 2019, 03:53:02 AM »
Good Morning, All.


This crazy work schedule I'm on recently has kinda' thrown me off, but I've been back up in the Scroll Shop for a couple days now, though admittedly, I spent half of the first one staring at the bench, rethinking my attitudes towards self-employment. But so-help-me I'm going to get that 30 years in at the water plant before I do.

Part 1:

So, when we left off, I was straightening the Kay's neck as much as it would go, in preparation to plane the deeply-grooved rosewood fingerboard. Believe it or not, I've seen them worse than this one, so I wasn't too worried about it. And rosewood sands up nice, and smells good too, but it's pretty bad to breathe, so I wear a particulate mask. Before resurfacing the board, if you remember, this bass had some pearl side markers inlaid up the neck... not too bad but not exactly right either. They would distract me, as a player. Ken (Fret Mill; The Boss) gives me a lot of leeway in doing what I think is best, so I elected to do away with them. I initially thought I might have to rout and inlay a strip of rosewood down that side of the fingerboard to hide the holes where the pearl dots had been, (and indeed that might have been a better fix) but instead I tried making a set of rosewood plugs, inlaying them into the voids, filing and sanding flush, then polishing up with the rest of the board. I had in mind to add smaller position markers back in the exact correct spots but I was pleased enough with the 'hide' of these rosewood plugs that I figured it was best for the store's interest to let someone else pay me to do that job.

Stay tuned for Part 2...
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #168 on: October 19, 2019, 08:59:00 AM »
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #169 on: October 19, 2019, 05:13:22 PM »
Gregory, I took my upright bass for a repair estimate today. Needs serious repairs to the lower bout to repair long-standing crack and other damage, which will involve removing the top, and all that good stuff. Was wishing I lived in your neighborhood - hard it will be to trust my bass to an unknown, I’d rather have an Alembic friend do it! And it could be part of your real-time reality show.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #170 on: October 19, 2019, 06:03:00 PM »
... and on tonight’s episode special guest appearance by Richard’s bass.  😎

It is funny you mentioned that as I was just thinking today that if my upright ever needs attention I would be tempted to take a road trip.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #171 on: October 20, 2019, 03:10:53 AM »
Ooooh, sorry Richard, sometimes that gets expensive when the top has to come off. Sounds like it must be a bad crack that has to be reinforced from the inside. Post back and let us know how it comes out. Hopefully they'll get you fixed up.  ;)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #172 on: October 20, 2019, 03:16:22 AM »
You guys have seen me do fingerboards before, so no need drag it out unnecessarily... the pictures tell it all, just progressively move from sanding blocks and beams with coarse sandpaper to the trusty old Black & Decker power-sander, to the 'Mouse' palm-sander with varying grits down to ultra-fine. After that, I wet-sand the rosewood with 1000-grit sandpaper, allow it to dry, buff with 0000 steel wool, rub in some lemon oil, then treat it with Minwax bare wood finishing wax, followed by a good cloth buffing. All that produces a very hard, glassy playing surface, and makes that old wood just glow.

Lemesee... while we're talking about it, Paul had a question about the radius of the board. Yes, you're not seeing things, it really does have some complex curves and cuts rather than just a compound radius. Mostly what you're seeing is what's called the E bevel, on a cello a C bevel, or more correctly, the Romberg bevel. It was invented by (and named for) Bernhard Heinrich Romberg (November 13, 1767 – August 13, 1841), a German composer and cellist. The bevel gives more clearance for that string to travel. With newer string technology, it's not really necessary, so a lot of builders have phased it out. Some players prefer it, some don't.. I do, but it isn't a deal-breaker. I'd like to tell you I use some fancy tool or template to go by when I plane a fingerboard, but the truth is it's just a very true straightedge and good old-fashioned eye-ballin'. When you get done, there's a big pile of Brazilian rosewood dust. (I save it, for filler, like around those side marker plugs)

I'm up here again today working on replacing some of these missing pieces of veneer, focusing on the worst ones. We'll get to that post on soundpost fitting sometime this week maybe... I'd like to finish this one up and get it back to the store soon. I hear they may have an interested buyer. Old Kay basses in good shape are sought-after around here.

Next up in Part 3; filling in a missing chunk of plywood.
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #173 on: October 20, 2019, 06:39:01 AM »
Before and after; big difference!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #174 on: October 20, 2019, 07:08:13 AM »
First, I noticed the dust mask...!!!  (I need one like that!)
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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #175 on: October 21, 2019, 02:28:19 AM »
Yesterday's work...

This was the worst of the worst of the chunks missing from the edges of this old Kay. I had to trim it out to a manageable/workable shape first, being VERY CAREFUL with sharp tools, then custom-make a little piece of wood to fit the void. Top it with a piece of veneer, then approximate the rusty reddish orange color. I added the black pinstripes afterwards. I'll brush a little bit of clear over this patch in a couple days to seal it, then burnish it dull-satin so as to match the surrounding finish. Still got a few more of these chips and loose veneers to fix, (already did) but this one was by far the most labor-intensive.

Back soon. You know, sometimes I jinx it with that...  ::)

Pictures, in chronological order, as usual.  ;)

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #176 on: October 21, 2019, 03:52:40 AM »
Nice work...the color looks perfect.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #177 on: October 21, 2019, 06:55:51 AM »
Bravo!

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #178 on: October 23, 2019, 02:38:54 AM »
Pieced a few more larger patches into the back of the Kay last night. When I do these, the easiest way is to make a patch in a specific shape, just big enough to cover the missing pieces of veneer, then holding it in place, trace a cut line around it. Cut out the veneer on the bass so the patch fits, sorta' like a puzzle piece. After glueing in place, (I used CA glue, from Santa Rosa, California no less!) just trim it off with snips, file and sand back into shape. I'll touch these up just like the big chunk that was missing from the top edge.

I'll be working on replacing that missing scroll ear next... then re-cut the bridge, cut a new soundpost, and we'll be ready to re-string this one.

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Re: The Scroll Shop (Ed of H's Shop Thread)
« Reply #179 on: October 23, 2019, 09:00:20 AM »
Surgical Precision!