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Toddy63

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series I vs II short scale
« on: April 05, 2019, 08:09:01 AM »
Hi, All. 

  I'm new to the club - what a fantastic resource!   I'm planning on a purchase soon and am looking for tips.  I'm most interested in a short scale series instrument.  Reverb has two such instruments - Series 1 for 9K and Series II for 13.5.   Anyone care to chime in on differences b/t the two, price fairness, etc?   Thanks! 

todd

https://reverb.com/item/16789468-alembic-series-ii-ssb-short-scale-bass-1980?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItaDBk5254QIVe__jBx2hhwsiEAQYAiABEgIMmfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&pla=1

https://reverb.com/item/18089746-1979-alembic-series-1-ssb-short-scale-bass?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItaDBk5254QIVe__jBx2hhwsiEAQYBSABEgIIkfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&pla=1

keith_h

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2019, 01:57:36 PM »
The Series I is really more of a Series 1 1/2 with the master volume which is standard on a Series II. Other than the master volume the main differences are the number of neck laminates, top woods and the variable Q of the Series II compared to fixed 3 position Q switch of the Series I. The Q control sets the boost of the signal at the current filter setting so the variable Q allows for more variation of the boost than the three position does.

The Series I looks like it has had some work done to it. The pickups are newer based on the gold embossed Alembic they have on top. The body looks like it has also been refinished. There is one red flag for me. They mention a Boogieman power supply. That person also made replacement electronics for Alembic basses. I would request pictures of the circuit boards to make sure they are Alembic. One other thing to look into is if as part of the apparent refurbish is who did it and did the Alembic electronics get the electronics noise upgrade?   

The Series II has some finish checking which is normal for an instrument of its age. From the pictures it appears the electronics are all original. It has the power supply which is good. One thing to ask is if it has had the noise upgrade? Older instruments can pickup RF interference that wasn't around when they were built.

Both look like nice examples of early Alembics. I don't follow prices closely but both appear to be high to me.  Assuming the electronics are Alembic and not Boogieman I would think $4K - $5K for the Series I if it has the upgrade and $3.5K - $4.5K without. It depends upon what the cost of the upgrade would be for that bass. If they are Boogieman drop that into the $2K range for me. For the Series II $5K - $6K maybe up to $7K if it has been upgraded and I really had to have it. I'm sure folks who follow prices closer than I do will chime along with any other things I missed.


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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 05:03:09 AM »
Keith, i'm with you on those points and those prices they are really so far out of the ball park they are past the city limits :-)
If you were to get it at a cheap prices then having the electronics upgrade done at alembic would be cost effective and a nice thing to do. I have a 1980 series I that could probably benefit from the upgrade but Ive done so much adjusting with the hum cancelling system it is now not an issue in any of the places I have played, only at home when standing close to the telly. If I was heading stateside nr santa rosa, I would try to time it so I could drop it in and get it done.
The sound of Alembic is medicine for the soul!
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Toddy63

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 08:31:17 AM »
Thanks so much, gentlemen.  Sure would be easy to go blindly into a sale of this sort....

I've found a '76 series 11 on this site that I believe is going to be a good fit. Price much more "down to earth".


  todd

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2019, 10:12:28 AM »
Todd:

On what site and where did you find the 76?

As the owner of two short scale Alembics (a Signature Standard and a Series I) as well as two other Series I basses, I totally concur with Keith and Jazzy regarding the pricing.  I've paid between $1,600 (1980 that needs a complete refurbish) - $4,000 (looks to be the younger brother of the 1979 Koa you found at Reverb in perfect shape; great electronics; no finish checking).  I think that if you're patient you'll be able to find a Series I shorty birthed anywhere from the late 70s to mid-80s for somewhere in the neighborhood of $3,500-4,500.

Personally, I really don't see the differences between the I and II to be significant enough to spend the extra $$$$ for the II.  The Series I does everything I could ever think of asking a bass to do (and a lot more).  Things to keep in mind are: (1) has the electronics upgrade been done (this could or could not be important based on where you'll be playing your bass and the individual instrument itself); (2) does it come with the original power supply and cord (these can add significantly to the cost if you need to purchase them); (3) does it look like the bass has been taken care of; (4) what is the sellers return policy?

If you cannot get to the bass and play it yourself, I'd ask the current owner to make you a video of him or her playing the bass and demonstrating the functionality of each of its PUs, the Q switches, controls etc.  It's not a good as playing the bass itself but it will allow to to get an idea as to whether both PUs work and the electronics are sound.  If the seller wont do this, I'd pass on that bass.  I'd also ask for additional photos of the bass that provide a better picture of the condition of the PUs, fretboard, body and neck.

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2019, 10:18:18 AM »
P.S.

Keep checking this board as well as Craigslist (on a national level) for possible purchases (though you need to be careful with the latter).  I've bought 3 basses from the Sale and Trade section of this site that were offered by club members and each was exactly as advertised. It truly does provide you with a sort of safety net that you don't have on Ebay or Craigslist   

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2019, 10:29:47 AM »
I think the bass he's referring to, or possibly interested in, is 76-AC-405 the Will Gunn custom short-scale Series II, currently for sale by Club Member "HyAlembicK' here:

http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=24386.0

I inquired with Nick about it a little while back, and he has it priced much more reasonably than anything any online retailers have. That bass is a Classic. I hope it finds another good home.

Toddy63

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Re: series I vs II short scale
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2019, 09:19:26 AM »
Sure is nice to have pointer before spending a lot of bread.  I've bought many doublebasses but nothing of this nature.

HyalembicK is right - that's the one. 

 Thanks for all the great info, deal is closed. 


  Todd