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palembic

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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2003, 12:31:49 AM »
Hello Brothers!
 
Welcome Fretlessoldguy (I finally understood that it is Fretless old guy and NOT Fretles sold guy. My mind is not always follwoing my english, that's why I talk toomuch..LOL).
Welcome to our club, Paul the good one (or the other one) will come soon to start yelling with me pictures-pictures-pictures.
Pestering??
I dunno.
I consider ourselves as the Waldorf & Slater of this club ;-)
 
Fretless ...well that's one of my dreams to play once ...I simply LOVE the tone!
 
Thanks for the clear explanation: from nopw on you can consider yourself as belonging to the printable brothers together with such famous brothers as Bob and Joey and Werner!
 
However, I have a question that is merely linguistic.
If you guys use the word Dampening or dampened, is this word related to what I read in Amp-specs the Damping factor???
And than on the SF-2 also is a damping control. Are all those things related or ...?
 
Paul the bad one
 
 
BTW: Bob it's good to hear from you again. I'm happy that your Rogue is almost there. Please keep me posted.
And how''s the cuisine going?
Tasty???
 

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2003, 03:50:35 AM »
[.... I thought I had cancelled this one ... ah well...]
 
(Message edited by adriaan on July 10, 2003)

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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2003, 04:27:43 AM »
Great discussion!
 
When my Epic was converted to fretless, I first put on an old set of Ken Smith Slick Wounds (44-105?) which are roundwounds ground to flatwounds. They were really high-tension, and not really nice on my fingers. They sounded dull, and for some reason also harmonically off. Response to touch was probably okay, due to the high tension, can't really remember.
 
They were soon replaced by a set of the fabulous Thomastik Infeld Jazz Flats (44-106). These are low-tension, and though they feel floppy, they sound well focused and they respond to the touch really well.
 
Conclusion: don't underestimate the effect of the string.
 
As to the issue of the infinite string, my guess is it would 'vibrate' at 0 Hz. You need a finite length of vibrating mass to get a fundamental frequency. Organ pipes can be closed at both ends or open at the long end (IIRC that halves the frequency) but they can't be open at both ends -which would be a virtually infinite organ pipe. Strings must be 'closed' at both ends, period.

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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2003, 01:02:59 AM »
Paul,
 
Re: dampening and dampened
 
In this case, the conversation is focused on scale length and string characteristics, thus these two derivations of the verb, to damp meaning to check (cancel) or reduce the energy therein refer to canceling or reducing the motion of the bass string.
 
Your question is well founded however, as the words dampen, dampening, dampened are used in many processes both mechanical and electrial.
 
For example: Automotive shock absorbers are dampeners. Your bass speakers require dampening in order to prevent self destruction. The air volume in the enclosure acts as a dampener in both phases of speaker motion. Your power amplifier also has a dampening function when it reverses phase and limits the excursion of speaker motion.
 
Without dampening, your speakers would be attempting to move beyond the normal range of motion as designed by the engineers (in the surround, voice coil, spider, and air volume) and the speaker would not last long. If fact this is why low powered amplifiers blow more speakers than higher powered amps due to poor control of speaker motion .  
 
Of course, if I had hair I would want it dampened before I went out on an excursion.
 
Yes, the English language is full of exceptions and double meanings.
 
Fretless Old Guy

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2003, 05:33:31 PM »
Paul
 
re amplifier damping factors.
 
Damping is the ability of a power amplifier to control loudspeaker motion. It's measured in Damping Factor, which is load  
impedance divided by amplifier output impedance.
 
There is an excellent discussion at:
 
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/damping%20factor.pdf
 
David B.

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2003, 07:20:23 PM »
Paul.
 
I own an Essence 34'scale and a Stanley Clarke 30'scale. I like my SC bass the most, to me it sounds better in every possible way. I think the sound of any bass no matter how long or short depends on quality of workmanship and what kind of electronics it has.  To me the SC sounds superior (possibly because of the electronics.) or the type of wood it is constructed of.
 
Later
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2003, 03:41:14 PM »
Hi Paul,
 
It's been a long time.  Hope all is well with you.
 
Funny, but a year or two ago I would have totally agreed with you.  These days I seem to prefer short scale basses in just about every way ( including my Alembic).  Think I own 5 of them.  I may even be selling my longest scale - my 36 David King Headless 5
 
( http://www.sitesolid.com/tsarter/Kingbass )
 
Take care,
 
Tim