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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2018, 10:23:02 AM »
Forgive me, but in terms of digital recording I don't agree at all. I think digital allows many more people to record their creative music and then get it out there, using the web.

Before that, recording studios had a lock on, well, recorded music. Then the labels decided what was commercial enough to press and market, unless you were paying for the whole thing yourself. The creators of the music were often last in line in the process, and money was a big deciding factor in whatever happened.

As far as sounding mechanical for example, when I record, I use both digital and tape, and I also use real drums mixed with sampled drums (often my own drums sampled). Software drum plugins, like Superior Drummer, use a fuzzy logic where you can vary the drums in a way a real drummer would.

This idea or fad that digital music 'has no soul' is all too often something that is spread by people in the industry who feel threatened by the encroachment of technology on what has formerly been their exclusive domain. I see it as a liberation of creativity that allows artists to reach out directly to an audience of listeners that was denied to them before.

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2018, 09:00:27 PM »
Thanks for that David.  You have an incedibly informed perspective.  I enjoy music that sounds good to me, be it analog or digital. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2018, 08:50:22 PM »
I think anyone who asserts that digital music at a sufficient resolution isn't providing the whole picture and is causing psychological issues doesn't know anything about Nyquist. My guess is that they wouldn't pass a double blind test. The real problem with digital recordings is the abusive nonsense that happens in mastering.

Of course, early technology was destructive to integrity of the music, but that's long in the rearview.

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2018, 06:38:52 AM »
Doesn't make sense blaming the midia. We've just had to take the apropriate time to learn on how to get what we want and what were the ways to get there in the digital realm. It took some time and we really made some mistakes in the process, but can't blame the hammer if the screw wasn't put right. New ways demand new paths.
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2018, 03:59:29 PM »
“Honesty machinery making modern music can still be open hearted”

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2018, 04:27:20 PM »
I did a bunch of live digital recording in the early 80s (with the gracious input from Healy et al.) and the sound was very nice (unfortunately the tapes were stored in a cool moist place and deteriorated).  I’ve only done a little digital recording with software and a computer and the sound was warm and clear, so I think it kind of depends on the user.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2018, 07:17:55 PM »
Just returned from Russia and Ukraine and had a chance to read everyone's comments. Thanks for the advice on shipping.

With respect to the digital recording piece...please keep in mind that the artistic director and conductor of the Siberian Federal Orchestra with whom I had my conversation was, I believe, referring to the forms of music with which he deals (i.e. full orchestra which from what I remember includes somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 musicians).  I never thought to ask him whether his comments applied as equally to 4-7 piece jazz, blues, rock, bluegrass, etc groups?  I'd be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on the ability of digital music to capture the nuances of full orchestra music to the extent that it reproduces music with 10% or fewer of the instruments.

Now whether that leads to neurological differences developing is a totally different story. I don't have a strong opinion on that but it is interesting that differences have been found (neurological that is) between how our brains process electronic text and text written on paper with deeper levels of processing more likely with the latter.

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2018, 02:18:49 PM »
Digital recording doesn't care whether it's 1 instrument or 150 instruments. Its ability to resolve detail is arguably better than analog, assuming professional equipment used competently. The appeal of analog is actually for the euphonic distortion it provides, not its accuracy.

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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2018, 02:43:07 PM »
Digital recording doesn't care whether it's 1 instrument or 150 instruments. Its ability to resolve detail is arguably better than analog, assuming professional equipment used competently. The appeal of analog is actually for the euphonic distortion it provides, not its accuracy.

Very well summarized!


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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2018, 03:21:04 PM »
This article is a really interesting, quick summary that I think parallels this discussion and raises many of points made by all of the enthusiasts here-

https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-versus-analog.htm

This piecee could seem quaint, no doubt, to the more experienced people here, but I thought it was pleasing to read this piece, especially the last two pages.  The parting comment on ritual as part of listening to analog systems, and potentially while using analog recording media, is true for me and for friends of mine when it comes to playing and caring for vinyl.

Again, this article was presented only for entertainment's sake, and without endorsement.  Cheers.

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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2018, 03:29:46 PM »
For me, the issue is not about digital recording but, instead, digital playback.  Regardless of how well a piece of music is recorded, when it is reduced/compressed to MP3 it loses something, IMHO.  But being as much of todays "music" consists of monotone rhythmic poetry over a drum track with the occasional auto-tune to make ersatz notes, does MP3 compression really matter?

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2018, 04:24:52 PM »
Bill,

You sound like Bob Weir.  :)  The interviewer seems a touch silly, but hey, they talk about digital music files and his baby, TRI Studios.


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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2018, 05:14:02 PM »
Hey, I also bought a Pono player on the Kickstarter campaign and still use it!

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 04:43:33 AM »
It's to be expected, Zut; just about every person I ever heard interview one (or more) of the Dead (or, for that matter, the Beatles) has seemed at least a little silly.

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 07:11:52 AM »
But is that because the interviewer goes "goo-goo", or they pick them to conduct the interview and irk the band a bit for garish behavior to sell the interview? 

I mean, while Keith Richards is not unflappable, he generally scares people for the common good and that of his fanbase whilst doing interviews, especially during his..."dieting" years in the seventies.  Yet if he doesn't care, he is unflappable.

Look at him with Mick Jagger.