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Safe shipping
« on: June 13, 2018, 10:21:02 AM »
I'd be interested in member's suggestions regarding how I can safely ship by 76 fretless Series I back to the mothership for an electronics upgrade and refurbish.  It arrived in unlined/unpadded flight case and a well-padded gig bag that was quite moldy and remains so in spite of several attempts on my part to implement members suggestions.  Mica specifically requested that I not send in back that way as there are people at Alembic highly allergic to mold.  Although I have an extra Alembic Standard point, Series I case, it is not for a long scale bass.  I've been thinking about padding options and how to protect the neck but have yet to come up with anything I feel is safe. I'll be purchasing a new cases as part of the refurbish but would prefer to avoid the extra cost associated with purchasing the case and having it shipped empty to me.

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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 11:00:38 AM »
Can you fly with the bass, booking far enough in advance, that you can afford an extra seat on a flight out to SF/Santa Rosa and hand-deliver the '76 fretless?  It may be a no-go and I'd hate for you to get two seats, and be told be the administration everything is A-OK, and then have someone on the plane tell you otherwise.  That sort of stuff seems to be happening a lot, lately.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/resources/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/47261/musical-instruments-tip-sheet.pdf

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 03:01:09 PM »
Are you planning to replace the case? Maybe you could get a new hard shell from Alembic that they could send to you for shipping the bass back for the work. You should also be able to reuse the outer box and packing.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 03:04:36 PM »
I will check if we have a duty case here - sometimes we do! You'll be on the hook for shipping, but it might be a good option. I'll let you know what we find.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 03:18:00 PM »
Can you fly with the bass, booking far enough in advance, that you can afford an extra seat on a flight out to SF/Santa Rosa and hand-deliver the '76 fretless?  It may be a no-go and I'd hate for you to get two seats, and be told be the administration everything is A-OK, and then have someone on the plane tell you otherwise.  That sort of stuff seems to be happening a lot, lately.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/resources/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/47261/musical-instruments-tip-sheet.pdf

Maybe it could be claimed as a Therapy Instrument?
 

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 04:32:49 PM »
4 pieces of 2" polystyrene insulation board.  Cut them into rectangles the size of a bass case (or plan ahead and pick your box first and cut them to fit the box).  Middle two sheets in the 4ply 'sandwich' get cut out with the outline of the bass, creating a pocket for the bass to fit into.  Throw in some padding (towels work) to support the neck/headstock and to fill up the empty voids so the bass doesn't move.   Tape the full top and bottom sheets on, slide it into a box and it'll get there safe.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 07:30:53 PM »
I really like the idea of a "Therapy Instrument".  I wonder if I can get a "Therapy '72 Chevy Nova".

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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 07:57:32 AM »
I've been in the flight case business for over 20 years. tbrannon has the right idea, though I would use a softer polyester type of foam.

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 09:05:21 AM »
Polyester or polystyrene foam makes sense to me though I do like the idea of claiming a seat as a therapy instrument.  The crazy thing is it would actually cost me nothing to fly to Santa Rosa (my better half works for Delta airlines so as long as there are seats the flight is free).  Only cost would be a rental car. 

Unfortunately, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Krasnoyarsk, Russia watching the Russian federation manhandle Saudi Arabia in the World Cup (live) and I don't even lie soccer/European football but ts the only channel not in Russian.  I will not be back until the end of June and want to get the bass to Mica and company ASAP.   Hopefully my spouse will be willing to do the packing.

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 09:58:57 AM »
Wow, that's a cool story.  The only things that matter, as far as I can tell are, 1) what is the time differential between asking your spouse to fabricate the bass insert, pack it, and mail it for transit (presumably overnight) and having your therapy instrument be handed off in person to the folks in Santa Rosa? 2) How long will your instrument be in Santa Rosa before coming back to you with your brand new case and better than new? 3) What is the cost differential between handing the bass off like the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and building and shipping it in a homemade packing brace, or using an Alembic case there and back; is it consequential?  4) What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

I might have made a mistake, but it seems like you are not too worried about spending the money to construct a secure shipping vessel and to ship your bass to Santa Rosa, and the time differential would be about two or three weeks for 1), whether your bass flew with friend, or flew on its own to Alembic.  The deal breaker is the approximate value for 2) relative to 1), and whether additional time from 1) will make a difference in 2), as that is what you really are interested in, I think.

Anyhow, enjoy your World Cup viewing, and best of luck!  Paka.

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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 08:54:22 AM »
Looks like shipping the bass back to CA will need to wait until I return to the U.S.  My spouse was not thrilled with being responsible for the safety of one of my instruments.

Reader Warning: An interesting story associated with my current work in Russia follows.  It is, however, only tangentially related to Alembic or the rest of this thread.

During our time in Russia/Krasnoyarsk I had the opportunity to have a two-hour meeting with Valdimir Lande who is the artistic director and primary conductor of the Siberian Symphony Orchestra in Krasnojarsk as well as an orchestra in New York and the national choir in Washington D.C.  Most of the discussion centered around his experience working with young adults with Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) in the U.S. who are musicians and ideas he has about at least some of these children having a much better capacity to express emotion and self-regulate their behavior through listening to or playing music than through language. The conversation focused on how teaching melodic music to children with ASD in the form of instrumental lessons and having them listen to it might improve their functioning. Sorry drummers, he indicated that melodic instruments were a lot better approach than the rhythmic approach currently used in most music therapy programs.

Vladimir made the point that during music a musician needs to: (1) Predict what is coming next (e.g., move his/her hands up or down the neck of a violin to be ready to play a specific set of notes); (2) Execute the sets of notes specified by the music; and (3) Analyze what is played in the context of what is to be played next. Interestingly, all these processes are also involved in the development of those skills all children need to develop in order to: (a) engage in ongoing social interaction with others; and (b) exercise self-determination (i.e., exercise the degree of control they desire over those things in life that are important to them).  These are two topics on which I’ve been working for years in my research, but never thought of how they might be more easily taught to children with ASD via music than more traditional approaches.  By the way, when asked if bass could be considered a “melodic instrument” he indicated that it all depended on the way it is played referencing Charles Mingus, Jaco Pastorius, and Stanley (Dave: if he knew your work I think he’d also include you with this group).

Eventually the conversation came around to a discussion of digital music and while Vladimir’s response wasn’t surprising his comment that, “this digitized stuff is ruining our brains” took me a little by surprise. He alluded to digital music being similar to looking at an art masterpiece (I think he used Rembrandt’s, The Night Watch as an example), with a large piece of cardboard placed over it with holes punched in the board every inch or two.  He went on to state that he thinks that listening to music in this form removes much of the signal/stimulus that allows the musician to communicate feeling, emotion, & affect, and for the listener to hear that from the musician. Vladimir expressed the belief that we listen to so much of this type of music today that musicians are losing the capacity to effectively communicate this aspect of music to their audiences because they no longer pay attention to it themselves. In addition, because they hear it so infrequently, audiences are losing the ability to respond to the emotional aspects of music even when it is present in live performances.  This interesting conversation ended with his pleading for everyone to make sure their children have the opportunity to learn to play an instrument; that technique should not necessarily be the primary aspect of musicianship on which attention is focused; and that even poorly executed live music is a lot better to listen to that music of the digital type.

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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 08:59:22 AM »
Missing my Alembics and needing more work on fretless and long scale basses I took the opportunity Vladimir gave me and spent some time play an upright bass owned by eh Siberian Symphony Orchestra that makes even a full scale upright look small not alone my Alembics (see photo).  A bit difficult to reach the lower register with this one.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 10:24:20 AM »
Brian; first, thanks for the compliment, and though I understand your point about melodic playing, those three musicians are light years ahead of me.  :)

And thanks for sharing this story.  I'm going to send some of your comments to my brother as it may be useful to him regarding his son.

And that's an interesting comment about digital music.  I was reading last night about "wavelength" and the related differences between analog and digital recorded music.

Today, the vast majority of recorded music is digital.  Personally, I don't know that it affects my emotional reaction to music.  But that may just be me; there are times when I open deeply to some piece I'm listening to.

As a conductor working in different parts of the world, he certainly has more opportunity to observe the reactions of audiences to live music than I do.  But it occurs to me that there may be other factors related to the time in which we all now live that may, generally speaking, affect the level to which people are able to connect on a deep level, not just with music, but with each other and the world around them, and with themselves.

And finally, that's a nice finish on that upright.  :)

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Re: Safe shipping
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2018, 03:36:30 PM »
Let's jam!

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2018, 07:47:39 AM »
Brian, thanks for sharing, interesting stuff. With regard to digital music and communicating with the audience, I think a lot of the problem has to do with the proliferation of backing tracks. Everything played to a click, everything sounding studio-perfect... It certainly takes the humanity out of the music. If you can't pull it off live, don't pretend you can. Do something interesting with it. End of rant...  8)