Author Topic: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch  (Read 1299 times)

drewphishes

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Does anyone have any sound samples of an epic with the q switch upgrade?

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 11:51:35 PM »
I guess from your title that you are aware that stock Epics came with bass and treble tone controls, and do not have a low-pass filter (same as stock Orions and stock Excels) and so that, as the Q switch provides different options for how strong the filter affects mostly the attack part of your notes, you won't find a stock Epic with a Q switch upgrade.

Some Epic owners may well have swapped out the bass and treble controls for a filter (they're all modular) and as there are already four holes drilled, it would be only logical to include a Q switch.

Any Alembic sounds recognizably like an Alembic, just that the ones without a filter get to be perhaps a little bit less outspoken. Apart from the filter vs. bass and treble controls, the non-Series packages use the exact same pickups and the same uncoloured preamp. So any sound samples of a set-neck two pickup Epic or Orion with a fliter and Q switch will give you a fair idea of what to expect; with the Excels there's a couple of variables that might complicate an A/B comparison (ash body, pickup spacing, often a Fatboy in the bridge position).

Another suggestion is to give an idea of your general playing style - fingers vs. pick, jamband vs. metal, jazz vs. reggae, etc. etc.
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drewphishes

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 07:16:29 AM »
Yes I have an epic and it has the stock pre amp and I do like it quite a bit.

Was just wondering how different it would sound with the Q filter and switch as there is an upgrade package to swap in those parts.

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 08:29:47 AM »
You might check with our brother FC Bass here... he was among the first to convert his fretless Orion from stock V/P/B/T by adding a Filter and Q-switch... I bet he has some sound clips of his posted somewhere.

http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8798.0

This upgrade does require an adapter harness. I don't see it in the Store, but obtaining one is as easy as a phone call to the Head Elf.

Speaking from personal experience, as I commented over on TalkBass, there is absolutely nothing like filter-based electronics from Alembic. Of course the best way to know if it's right for you is by a firsthand experience.

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 08:35:51 AM »
even a cool video or soundclips of an alembic with Q filter in a couple positions would be cool

wanting to see if itll be worth it as i do love the tone and control ability now

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 09:22:46 AM »
Below is a link to video of club member Goran with the Series I bass he got recently. The Series instruments have different pickups (true single coil) and electronics than the rest of the Alembic line but the filters and Q switches work the same way. If you watch from about the 3:45 mark he demos the effect of the filters and Q switches. Should give you an idea of how they shape the tone differently than the treble/bass boost and cut controls on your Epic do.


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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 09:57:20 AM »
An Essence (with switch), Elan or Spoiler is going to give you the sound you’re looking for. Make your next bass one of those and you have a nice duo!
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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 03:41:58 PM »
I have one recording where I gradually turned down the filter frequency throughout the piece - it's my Alembicized Telecaster Bass, so it's the Alembic P-Bass Activator without a Q-switch, so it's always at about +8 so really emphasizing the frequency that it's set at. I got a Q-switch installed on my Alembicized 70s P-Bass - I personally find it essential, I think the filters sound really good with the Q at 0 instead of boosted (though boosting certain frequencies is cool too and an important option that the Q-switch provides.

I should note too that the bass is strung with Chromes (flatwounds) and played with a pick:

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2022, 05:28:15 PM »
So, are you all saying that a Q switch only works well with a filter and with the Epic bass /treble it won't affect it ?
I have a horse in the race, so I need to know, too. My Orion is a PERFECT bass, but I've been curious if a Q would make a difference.
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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2022, 06:43:38 PM »
The Q affects the attack at the upper threshold we here you set the filter, so you need the low pass filter if you want to have a Q.  Others please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the Q can be used with the bass/treble tone controls.

If you have an Orion with low pass filter for tone control, I would suggest adding a Q, I did that to an Orion I had and it made a big difference.
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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2022, 08:11:49 PM »
Isn't the "East meets West" concept the meeting of bass/treble controls (East) with filter/Q (West)? I have never had anything other than filter/Q controls, so not totally sure...

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2022, 08:43:24 PM »
Yes, need a Filter circuit... without one, no frequency to boost Q. Yes, you can add one to the Epic/Orion electronics, but it can be a squeeze fitting them in there.

FC did it here-
https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8798.0

Here is a comprehensive post on filters- https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=308.0

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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2022, 10:15:59 PM »
I put Alembic pickups and a simple circuit in my five-string Modulus Quantum bass after I bought it in 1988, volume, filter and on/off switches for the three pickups. A few years ago I finally had Alembic add a Q-switch plus the variable bass and treble controls. I am really happy with the sonic results and and was amazed that they were able to get everything in the limited space the cavity has. The bass/treble controls are quite nice and would sound great on their own but to me the filter and Q is what defines the Alembic approach to tonal shaping, having both really opens up the palette.



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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2022, 11:36:40 PM »
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Re: Difference in tone in epic stock vs epic w q filter and switch
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2022, 11:40:43 PM »
I have a sound example of an elan that is a single filter with q switch. The bass also has bass and treble boost and cut switches but if you ignore those examples you will get some idea of what a single filter alembic can sound like. Be aware though that this is an all maple bass and through neck so your bass may sound slightly different. I expect you are more interested in how the filter and Q can be used shape tone rather the tone of my specific bass.
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