Author Topic: Are my saddles set up right?  (Read 3487 times)

allgood

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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2019, 03:29:54 PM »
That’s crazy, thumbnails (correct term?) are upside down, but when you click on them they open right side up!
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2019, 04:20:50 PM »
Well, definitely will need to do some filing, but not what I expected.  The machine shop didn’t drill the hole quite close enough to the bottom of the block.  So I will need to file off some of the bottom so the screw will line up.  As it is, you can see, angled a bit upward.  There is not enough clearance in the entrance hole to wiggle it down a bit.  I assume I can shave off a bit on the bottom, and it will line up, then I just have to compensate with a shallower slot on top.  I looked at my Essence, a 92.  I’m assuming it is all original, and no changes to bridge since factory.  The blocks are smaller, but the slots are tiny.  Just enough to let the string rest, but probably 80% - 90% of the strings are above the block.  I assume 43 years on the S1 have worn the slots quite a bit. 
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 04:21:15 PM »
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 04:57:03 PM »
I'm working on it! The Android speech-to-text function on my phone is totally confused by my North Carolina heritage and my Southwest Virginia accent.  ;D

Here are a couple tools you'll need... Round files, at least two sizes if you're doing the E and the A, and a set of dividers. This will help you accurately locate the slots. I took the liberty of swiping the pictures of your bass from the ebay ad that's still active... it looks to me like the slots are about where they should be, so you could go to school on the 1975 guys measurements.

Back in a few... Zelda gets a little upset when I have files out around the Alembics.
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 05:30:25 PM »
Okay Allen, here's one other thing that you have to keep in mind... the strings as they go across the top of that bridge are arrayed in an arc, just like on your upright, so it is somewhat critical that the slots be cut the correct depth. Though the bridge height is adjustable independently from either side, if the A string or E string is cut too deeply into the saddle, it will bottom out before the other does. That will create a setup problem to say the least!

Just another observation, it doesn't look like the break angle is all that drastic over the saddles. This will make filing them easier but you will have to take care not to hit the bridge rails if you're going to file them while the saddles are mounted on the bridge. I probably don't need to tell you this but it would be much safer to mark where these slots are going and then clamp the saddle in a vise to file the slot. I might go as far as to rough them in while they were in place on the bass... (if Zelda was not watching) but that's it. That 1975 channel bridge is gonna' be tough to get an exact replacement for if you goof.

I have taken a couple pictures to illustrate how to measure the distance between the strings at the bridge with the dividers, and another to show how to hold the file when filing the saddle slots. Ideally, the slots should be about half the diameter of a string deep, and just a little bigger in diameter. When choosing a file, get the right size... I can't emphasize this enough. E-strings are typically something like .100 -.105, so I'd go just a fuzz bigger than your string.

Let me know if you need other pictures or more information, as always feel free to use that phone number or hit my private email. If you feel like you're getting in over your head, just stop. Can't go wrong there!

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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 11:08:04 AM »
Edward, tell us a little more about that angled bridge 75-183 over another massive sustain block...
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 12:26:23 PM »
Mario, #75-183 is Allen's (allgood) bass dubbed "Rosie". There's quite a story that goes along with her odyssey, for another thread, but some of those basses from that time had experimental versions of parts that later became standardized or obsolete. You're right though, that "Rosie's" sustain block appears in the pictures to be a whopper. I'm not sure if it's really that much bigger, or if the old-style channel bridge just makes it look bigger, or if a combination of both factors is at work. I've seen a few 1975-76 bridges that were intentionally angled, I suppose for intonation purposes. I've seen extra holes drilled and tapped too, but I don't know if they came that way.


*The bass I used to model the file and dividers for Allen is a Distillate, #81D 1986... simply because it was the closest thing I had.

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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 11:54:16 AM »
Thanks for reply, Edward.
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Re: Are my saddles set up right?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2019, 05:10:40 AM »
allgood, I never got round to doing it. I contacted a trusted local luthier to see about doing it but they were up to their ears in work so I have deferred it. I still use the bass and I guess my fingers have got used to the spacing now so those saddles will be spares for now.
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