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tx196059

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MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« on: March 26, 2017, 08:26:13 AM »
Hey everybody, my latest Alembic seems to have been underplayed for sometime, and needs a good cleaning, new strings, controls tightened, and fretboard oiled.


http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=22687.0


I know the mothership recommends lemon oil products and linseed oil seems to get a bad rap, but there is a lot of discussion about this new F-one oil from MusicNomad. Has anybody here tried it, and what are your thoughts. Also, what strings are best for short scale. There are 105's on there now, and seem to be OK. This little Europa neck is perfectly set, and feels like holding a pencil, like the old Tune Japan Bassmaniacs, but rivals the sound of my 34" scale Series 1. Any thoughts would be appreciated, as this is looking to become my new #1. Cheers!


Joe




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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2017, 04:32:38 PM »
Seems legit.

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2017, 05:11:55 PM »
I'm always a little suspect of multi-ingredient mystery oil.  I've used food quality pure lemon oil for years per Alembic's recommendation.  Sure seems to work.  This stuff may work fine, but I have to disagree with their disparagement of lemon oil.

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2017, 08:53:42 AM »
I have used WD-40 for 4 decades with no problems. Just wipe it off good.

tx196059

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2017, 09:29:10 AM »
Thanks for the responses. Here is an interesting article about lemon oil. Turns out that 100% pure lemon oil is actually not 100% lemon oil. Mica warned about this on another thread. Some have petroleum distillates.

http://www.guitaranswerguy.com/12-lemon-oil-debate/

I tried the F-one on a few frets of an older beater guitar, and used lemon oil on other frets. Not much difference, except maybe the lemon oil removed dirt, and the F-one is a bit more shiny. Still, not much difference. I like both. The debate continues I guess.

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2017, 05:34:58 PM »
I use Boyajian pure cold pressed lemon oil - the stuff the guy in the article infers will dry out my fretboard and blow up my guitar.  I've been using it for many years on numerous guitars and my fretboards are all in great condition.  This is the stuff Alembic recommends.     So, do I trust Alembic, or some guy on the internet who might even have a deal with the F-one people?  Follow advice from folks who have been building and tending to the finest guitars in the world, or some guy on the internet?    Seems like a no-brainer to me.

(Interestingly, in the article, the author states: "I have a general rule when it comes to guitar care: if I’m not 100% sure of the ingredients in something, or whether any of the ingredients are safe, I just don’t use it on my (or anyone else’s) guitar."   Then he recommends the F-One which doesn't state its ingredients other than "F-ONE is formulated using a complex mixture of the finest ultra refined tree and seed oils.")

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2017, 07:37:15 PM »
What we like about the 100% actual pressed lemon oil is that it contains heavy turpines. These are very similar to the heavy turpines (which are large molecules) that evaporate long after the water evaporates. When you condition with the lemon oil, some of these big molecules get stuck in those cells and help the cells below stay protected from the turpine evaporation. You only need a few drops of the lemon oil once in a while. It helps protect the fingerboard from cracks.

If you don't like lemon oil, or are sensitive to it, it's fine to use other oils - in most cases they won't hurt things. The ones with wax leave things dirty for a while, the ones with petroleum distillates will help clean things up, but they are stinky! Tung oil tends to remain tacky even after years (not everyone experiences this). I'm not big on linseed oil, but others love it. Our esteemed Paul (TBO) used olive oil with great success.

Keep in mind that 99% of our fingerboards are Ebony, and the lemon oil recommendation is for Ebony.

I have heard from a friend that instruments with plastic binding don't like lemon oil (or most oils). He had a Les Paul that he bought used from someone that used Olde English lemon oil (not much lemon oil in it) in a slathering application almost every month. The fingerboard eventually delaminated. Now, I'm not 100% certain the oil caused this, but it's the one case I personally know of that had a bad outcome. But, anything used to excess is never a good idea. Like I mentioned, you only need a scant application of the lemon oil to be effective.

Frankly, if you are actually oiling your fingerboard with anything you're miles ahead of most people in the area of guitar care, and I thank you for that!

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 07:00:40 AM »

I have heard from a friend that instruments with plastic binding don't like lemon oil (or most oils).

C.F. Martin specifically recommends against lemon oil; IIRC, this is why.
As 3 of my 8 fretboards are bound, I bought what my locally-owned guitar shop carries - which happens to be f-0ne.  I use it about twice a year (less on the bass & classical, as I don't play them enough to change the strings that often).  It cleans well, leaves the wood looking dark and healthy, and has yet to give me any stickiness.  I would recommend it for anyone with binding - I do wish it smelled like lemons, though......


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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 01:42:59 PM »
Perusing old threads on the care and oiling of the ebony fingerboard is interesting. Everyone has their own take on what works. Various oils get discussed. Some folks have more acid in their sweat which, over many years, may damage wood and finishes.

My experience is on my upright bass with ebony fingerboard, tailpiece and end nut.  I bought this bass in 1974 and have played thousands of gigs with it, and is my main instrument. I have never touched the ebony with any oil, treatment or cleaner. Never even been 'dressed' by a luthier.
Every few years it has required a wipe down with a damp cloth.

The ebony is as black and perfect as the day it arrived home. What a tough and beautiful wood!

This is what Ebony looks like after never being oiled, rarely cleaned and played thousands of gigs & endless practice hours over 43 years. On the other hand the spruce and maple on this bass has cracked and been repaired many times!

Not saying you should not oil your wood, this is just my experience.
Also, that Europa is beautiful. Congratulations.

Cheers Casey
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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 01:57:59 PM »
Sounds like maybe you have been lucky with your ebony fingerboard. Ebony is pretty prone to cracking. Not sure I would take chances with letting it dry out. The chemistry of your hands may also be helping to preserve your ebony board. I guess in your case though "if it ain't broke don't fix it" is applicable. Forty seven years is a long time... thanks for sharing your experience!

Many years ago a luthier friend recommended using Birchwood Casey Gun Stock Wax on my fingerboards. I imagine that some folks are going to be turned off by the petroleum distillates in it but it does a nice job of cleaning and sealing my fingerboards. It contains carnuba, bees wax and silicone and buffs out to a hard finish with zero residue. A little goes a long way and lasts a long time.

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 02:20:14 PM »
That is a beautiful old bass Casey.  ;)

I put up a thread for us Gut-Bucket players the other day... http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=22703.0

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2017, 11:13:01 AM »
In the spirit of an open and curious mind...

I'm rethinking my comments for ebony care!
My fretless  Essence ebony is 1/8th" thick and 26" long with a thin maple neck.
The upright ebony is 1/2" thick, 33 1/2" long and the neck a whopping 1" thick at its thinnest.

With the girth of the upright perhaps  I've made a classic apples to oranges comparison!

Also the mild weather of the Pacific Northwest may be kind to ebony.

Ignore my original comparison and carry on folks!
Casey

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 12:17:35 AM »
I've never seen a cracked ebony fretboard either, so maybe Vancouver is ebony friendly...Tony.

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 05:03:55 AM »
When I first got my Distillate, it had a small crack starting in the very end of the fingerboard right near the serial number. I put a case humidifier in with it for a week or so, and just that little dose of moisture swelled the crack shut. I had planned on doing the old CA-glue-and-ebony-dust trick, but after following with a little lemon oil (I just use Old English... sorry) it really didn't need anything else.

Nature fixed that one for me. ;)

I'll give this F-one oil a try sometime...

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Re: MusicNomad F-One oil for fretboards question
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 10:53:28 AM »
Greg - I'd still close that crack as you originally planned. A crack that starts down by the former location of the serial number isn't going to get any smaller on it's own. It likely start from the stress of striking the numerals in the wood, which we don't do by the endgrain anymore, so glue that puppy up when you get a chance. If the crack seems closed up, try the thin glue alone.