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kaisei

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Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« on: December 26, 2016, 09:53:11 AM »
 8) Hello to all at Alembic from Germany,
First: sorry for my bad english!

My Problem. I have to change the Voltage up to 230 Volts here in germany.
So i read the post und viewed the pictures.
The Pitty: my Transformator Stanncor TP-2 got three cables in the middle.
What do i have to do, to change it up to 230 Volts.

If i should buy an new one fpr 230 Volts: what power schould i choose?

Thanxxx a lot to all.

KaiSei

   

kaisei

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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 03:41:24 PM »
... is there no way to solve my Problem?

I found a drawing in this forum that shows how to rewire the Stanncor TP-2, so that it can be used up to 230 Volts. But this drawing only shows two cables in the middle that should be connected with each other. My TP-2 sadly got 3 cables in the middle. I dont wont to "kill" my Series I. So i thought, someone can give me a adviece. 

Thanxxx

KaiSei

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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 05:13:37 PM »
Hey Kaisei,

Your English is much better than my German!

Be patient and hopefully somebody here can give you the REAL answer or suggest a replacement transformer that would fit in your DS-5. 

Meanwhile, I'll tell you what I know...  If you begin to experiment please be careful!


The primary side of that Stancor was built for "117V" but does in fact have "taps" but those wires were removed during installation.  I am unable to determine if either of those 3 leftover ends are true "Center Taps" based on the diagram which I found (and hopefully posted below). 

You can see that your DS-5's power cable is attached to the "black-red" on one end and through the thermal fuse to what was most likely the black-white on the other end.   
 
Our Series instruments can operate on a wide voltage range.  Starting with +/- 9V from the two onboard batteries, all the way to the usual DS-5 output of  +/- 15 - 20V or so.  (This is after conversion to DC through the rectifiers).  So 30-40V DC between pins 4(+) and 5(-) at the 5-pin jack is the ultimate goal.  From Pin-1 or ground you should see be +15-20V from pin-4 and -15-20V from pin-5.  Make sense?


Wait until you hear from Mica or somebody who knows better about whether you can actually run the old Stancor using 1/2 the primary winding (thus getting close to the desired voltage on the secondary).  I'm not sure about load, etc...


You can also look into alternative power supplies now that you know what the goal is...


But, be careful!


Jimmy J




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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 06:57:13 PM »
Hi Keisei,

The TP-2 transformer manufactured by Stancor was used in the earliest Alembic power supplies.   This was an industrial (or control) transformer intended only for 117 VAC power on the primary.   There were several taps that made it possible to use the same transformer for different secondary voltages, but not for 220-240 VAC power.   We cut off the unused taps during construction of the DS5 power supply, as they should never be used for powering Alembic instruments.

For many years we've had a custom transformer wound with 4 wires, constructed with two primary windings.   For 117 the windings are connected in parallel, and for 220-240 the windings are connected in series, as in the other posting.  This transformer has the Alembic part number 560-005, and it's mounting holes and other dimensions are the same as the Stancor TP-2.   

So unfortuantely there is no way to reconfigure the TP-2 for German power.  The 560-005 transformer is used in all the newer DS-5 power supplies (and the newest models have both a detachable power cord and a voltage selector switch, so the correct power plug can be attached, and the voltage selected without rewiring inside.

If you can find a local transformer with a primary that accepts 220-240 VAC and a secondary winding provides 30 VAC with center tap,
you can substitute that for the TP-2.   The secondary voltage can be as low as 24 VAC and up to 31 VAC and provide good operation (24 VAC was a popular voltage used in industrial controls and may be easier to find than 30 VAC).

-ron

ps.  A concern is that the small two-leaded device in series with one wire of the transformer is a thermal cut-off, and is usually destroyed if soldered (the original wiring used twist-on connections called "Wire Nuts").  Also the case of the thermal protector is hot so it is necessary to use the fiberglass/silicon tubing to insulate the protector from contact with the chassis.   The current DS-5 power supplies use a small fuse instead of the thermal protector.

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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 08:52:05 AM »
There you go - directly from our Electronics Sage and Chief Guru!  Thanks Ron.

The answer is "DON'T DO IT".  To do what you want to do, that transformer needs to be replaced.  And likely the thermal fuse as well. 

Or, if your DS-5 is still operational (and the thermal fuse has the correct insulating protection) you could always use a small external step-down power transformer to produce US voltage.

Good luck,
Jimmy J

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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 09:58:40 AM »
A BIG Thank You for your response!

I already thought so, that i could not change the voltage. Up to now, i use a transformer to step down the voltage, but i wanted to downsize everything: the transformer is small but heavy and i don't like so much things placed in the rack.

Very useful for me is to know the output voltage from 9 V up to 31 V. I hope to find a replacement transformer, but the ting is, it must be really small, because in the little blue box isn't that much space. Well i will contact a lokal dealer to help me out of the struggle.

NB:
I just changed my amp to EBS 360 and i am so happy to use my old Series ONE with the new amp. A perfect & clear sound in the deep and with the notch and the Compressor/Limiter i can easily configurate the sound of "Master Stanley". I got some other basses (Kramer, JazzBass and a Vintage Scheckter fretless) but to tell you the very truth, nowerdays i only play "the heavy One" (my Series ONE). Therefore i wanted to configurate the setup and rebuild the DS-5.

We will see.
Thanxx a lot for your advices

KaiSei

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Re: Troubleshooting change the voltage on a DS-5 230 Volts
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 01:44:29 PM »
Hellow from Germany!

The problem is solved: a local Alembic dealer changed the voltage to 230 V und renewed the hole wiring.
A big thanxx to the boys at session music!
And now its a great pleasure to play "the old wood" as i sometimes call my Series one from 1975!

Thanxx a lot for your advices

KaiSei