Author Topic: Understated Elegance - Recovered by Bellingham Police  (Read 544 times)

bsee

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2004, 01:44:30 PM »
Hey, that's great to hear!  Was it really the notice paid to the posting on this club board that led to the recovery?  I'd love to hear more of that story.

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2004, 09:08:51 PM »
It's quite simple really,I've known Tom for years and when I saw the post,It took a minute for it to sink in. You see this bass has been missing for a couple of years and I hadn't thought about it for quite a while. Tom had  given up on it and ordered a new series II in 5A quilt. I happened to run into him at a local music store and mentioned the post about the bass thinking he had probably seen the post already.Well, he doesn't get on the club site very often and was quite surprised to hear that the bass had resurfaced. After doing a reverse email search,(I have no idea how that is done),He was able to locate and contact the seller who helped Tom trace the path back through several people and found out that it was his old next door neighbor who broke in to his house and took the bass! The really weird part of this is that Tom must have really great or really bad karma because this bass has been stolen and recovered now for the FOURTH time!! Twice out of his van, once out of his house, and even once right off the stage at a gig!! I guess that bass truly belongs to Tom.

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2004, 09:29:11 AM »
To bsee
 
I am the person you referred to who was in possesion of the stolen 80 series one. You know what? The stolen site had the guitar listed as 1635 at first, subsequently changed weeks later to 1636. The serial on the fretboard is very worn and hard to see, I was at work going by memory and couldn't tell if the last number was a 3 or a 6 (and indicated that in my post), honestly couldn't tell, put another possible number of 1635, deciding I was making things too confusing having already posted 2 possible numbers (at this point I was ready to break out a microscope to try to read it), hence the edit.  
 
And I can tell you it was an honest mistake and back that up with some proof: the bass is back in the hands of the rightful owner now and he can't even read the serial, a 3, 5, or six, he cant tell what it says either. He emailed 2 weeks after I poster here and I had the bass back in his hands 2 days later. Even better we have formed a great frienship and has become in some ways a bass mentor to me and helped me aquire another beautiful alembic.
 
on another subject, why is understated elegance on ebay again?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4713&item=3754417109&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW#ebayphotohosting

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2004, 09:39:09 AM »
jlpicard
 
After doing a reverse email search,(I have no idea how that is done)
 
I don't know where the idea of a reverse email search came from, he emailed me at the address I have registered here and I responded immediately and returnded it immediately.  
 
I asked nothing in return, not the $800 I paid for the bass, told tom he was under no legal obligation to pay me pack, yet he was fantastic enough to compensate me and help me get a brand new alembic.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2004, 11:03:37 AM »
Geddy-
 
I applaud your prompt return of the bass once you were contacted.  That said, I find your statement about your reasons for editing your post difficult to swallow.  I don't really care one way or the other, the bass was recovered.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2004, 11:26:41 AM »
bsee-
 
do you find it difficult to swallow that alembic posted the wrong serial as well and then change it? do you find it difficult to swallow that the owner himself cant read the serial himself? If jlpicard knows him personally, he would look at the serial and say the same thing.  
 
TBO I always remain anonymous on the net until I know what type of site/person Im dealing with (including the use of proxy servers), (at the time I didnt know alembic at all) so in this case no amount of sluething technology could have tracked me down short of an extensive criminal investigation and a federal court order, which in the case of a guitar is not likely AT ALL. Yet I promptly returned the bass upon finding it was stolen.  
 
Actions of someone trying to cover up something? There was honest confusion on alembic's part, on my part, and on the righful owner's part. I don't like the implication that I was trying to hide something; in light of the subsequent events I find it laughable.

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2004, 12:53:44 PM »
I find it impossible to swallow that Alembic had the wrong serial number posted on the day you posted the serial number of the stolen bass on these boards.  The only reason I became involved with this instrument is because the serial number you posted matched what was then on the list of stolen instruments.  So, when did they supposedly post the wrong number and change it?  
 
If you really couldn't read the serial number, why didn't you edit your post to say that it could have been 1633, 1635 or 1636 when asking for information instead of editing your post to make it seem you were certain it was 1633?  If you thought that 'your' bass might be 1635 or 1636 at that point and you saw a matching serial number on the stolen instruments list, why didn't you contact Alembic then to make sure you had a legitimate bass?  If I remember your original post, you did come by this bass under peculiar circumstances and at a ridiculously low price.  None of these things made you wonder?
 
Finally, you posted several message over the course of a few days when you received the bass.  You seemed awfully keen to know about the construction at the time, and then edited the serial number out of a post and stopped asking.  Just an observation, but interesting under the circumstances.
 
Look, I am not saying that you stole the bass or even that you tried to keep it once you found out it was stolen.  I am just saying that the whole of the story you tell here doesn't all seem to fit together.  Maybe you just didn't explain yourself well.  

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2004, 01:16:37 PM »
I feel I need to step in here. There was confusion over the serial number on Tom's bass here at Alembic. The records indicate both numbers.  
 
Since the owner of the bass is very happy with the return, and is on friendly terms with the person who wound up with it (I can confirm from my personal converations with Tom), then I really don't think it's healthly to over analyze this situation. Frankly, it really isn't any of our business. Let's just be thankful that things worked out so well and refrain from conjecture - it serves no purpose.  
 
We have changed the serial number position in the years that followed. This isn't the first time there has been confusion after the normal wear on the fingerboard in that area. If you're got an Alembic with the serial number on the end of the fingerboard, I would suggest that you scribe it in another location: perhaps the electronics cavity or under one of the pickups.

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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2004, 01:40:59 PM »
I find it impossible to swallow that Alembic had the wrong serial number posted on the day you posted the serial number of the stolen bass on these boards. The only reason I became involved with this instrument is because the serial number you posted matched what was then on the list of stolen instruments. So, when did they supposedly post the wrong number and change it?
 
TBO I still don't know what the real serial is. According to the owner it's 1636, it looks more like 1633 to me, but again worn from 25 years of slapping. I was not even aware of the stolen bass page, my original post on the bass was my first visit here and it takes some navigation to find all these different pages (ex, where is that body shapes page again?). I only became aware of it after I returned it to tom. That night I checked and they had it listed 1635, I checked back later to see if it was still on there, it was with the serial 1636, I believe tom told them that was the serial but it still looks more like a 3 to me. So it was only changed after the bass was returned.
 
If you really couldn't read the serial number, why didn't you edit your post to say that it could have been 1633, 1635 or 1636 when asking for information instead of editing your post to make it seem you were certain it was 1633? If you thought that 'your' bass might be 1635 or 1636 at that point and you saw a matching serial number on the stolen instruments list, why didn't you contact Alembic then to make sure you had a legitimate bass? If I remember your original post, you did come by this bass under peculiar circumstances and at a ridiculously low price. None of these things made you wonder?
 
I did say something similar to that, that I couldn't read it clearly, and I was at work going from memory, which is %100 true. 1633 is the number I posted, and as I said because of the wear there is confusion. Alembic said 1635, tom says 1636, I say 1633. I suspect Alembic's original number was the correct one. You ask me why I didn't notify them that I had one on the stolen page, again I didn't at that point know such a page existed. Why didn't I contact them? What do you think my post was, a friendly hello? I posted details of this bass and was given no indication it was hot until tom emailed me.  
 
And you imply that I was trying to make it look like 1633 was the number. Go back to the archives and look at it, I deliberately said that I wasn't sure what the last number was.  
 
A note about the rediculously low price: I've been playing for under six months now and had no idea what an Alembic was. I knew it was a fine instrument, actually if it hadn't had the trussrod plate engraved with alembic I might still have it, not knowing what it is. At the time 800 seemed like a lot to me for a used bass, although now I know different.  
 
 
Finally, you posted several message over the course of a few days when you received the bass. You seemed awfully keen to know about the construction at the time, and then edited the serial number out of a post and stopped asking. Just an observation, but interesting under the circumstances.
 
Not hearing a response made me wonder, maybe I had posted the wrong number, maybe they were too busy at the moment. And no I did not stop replying, I was waiting for a reply and answered the second I received tom's email. To say I stopped responding is a gross mischaracterization. Either way at that point I was begining to understand what an amazing company alembic is an what a fine board this is, and did not want to seem like an IMPATIENT NUISANCE to alembic. I already explained why that edit was made, because at that point it seemed pushy and needless to post another number FROM MEMORY that may or may not be right. I was expecting a birth report on 1633 at that point.  
 
And of course you're not saying I had any part in stealing it, that would be slander. It was gone for four years and all of a sudden I'm going to pop up on this site? Not likely actions of a thief. I'm sure it went through many hands before arriving in mine.  
 
To finish, the owner, the authorities, and mother susan herself have all been involved in this and have never implied that I did anything wrong. For me that's enough and should also be instructive for you I hope.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2004, 01:46:02 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up mica. Things have turned out wonderfully for both me and tom, mostly thanks to Alembic, but it was stressful going through this and I apologize if my above replies were a bit terse and defensive. These insinuations were just not something I was expecting to hear.

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2004, 03:05:55 PM »
Geddy:
 
  For body shapes, click on the products on the lower left of the home page.  Then click on Basses and I think you'll find what you were looking for.  To paraphrase Mica and Billy Shakespeare, all's well that ends well!  Keep playing, enjoy your new Alembic, and don't worry, be happy.  
 
Bill, the guitar one

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2004, 03:17:45 PM »
Thanks Bill
 
Enjoying it I am! I thought going from the series I I had briefly to an orion would be a *small* letdown, but it's not. Every bit as special and amazing, and quite a bit easier for me to play in the weight and balance department. And eq knobs I actually understand . . . yay! ;)  I'll be posting pics and a very gushing thread soon, the grafted walnut top is a gorgeous sight man!

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2004, 06:13:13 PM »
Jon - congratulations on your acquisition. As you are discovering, playability is amazing and the craftsmanship is of the highest caliber. I'm glad that the circumstances surrounding the Understated Elegance bass have been resolved and that you are able to experience the joy of owning an Alembic. Incidentally, we are almost neighbors (at least in Desert Southwest terms) as I live a quick jaunt South on I15 in Sin City. Enjoy your new bass.
 
Tom

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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2004, 07:38:09 PM »
Hey Geddy,
 
Welcome aboard and enjoy that great bass.
 
I think it's real cool that you helped in the return of Tom's bass, and he in turn helped you in the acquisition of your newly found treasure...now that's the spirit.
 
Mikey/

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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2004, 12:38:13 AM »
Moderation - from Mica, no less, one of the rare times we've seen anyone perform in that official capacity (thankfully).
 
It's a great concept (moderation). There is a lot of passion here, ranging from love/defense of Alembic instruments vs. fraudulent copies, to (reasonably justified) paranoia about eBay scams, theft, and so forth, regarding these beloved instruments.
 
Having just read this entire thread for the first time, it feels like Bob (The Other Bob) had some reasonable questions, and after all he is our resident eBay and used pricing expert... though maybe he pushed a bit hard this time? But keep in mind, he just asked honest questions, and was never abusive (a little insistent perhaps...).
 
Geddy, as far as I can tell, you have no need to defend yourself further - welcome. And now, let's all go back to playing.
-Bob