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edwin

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Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« on: November 10, 2016, 09:54:01 PM »
I was doing this for some quick and dirty soundcheck. I figured that if you could plug directly into a 1/4" out of a Series bass, this should work, right? Weirdly, the travel of the volume knobs, both pickups and master, don't really ramp up until the last 1/4" of a turn. It works fine into an amp.


Thoughts?

elwoodblue

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 12:17:18 AM »
A stab in the dark would be the headphone input impedance might be damping the signal
until you crank the gain. (additional mixing resistors in the blue box might affect things a little)
I might be all worng,but I'm trying  ::)


Elwood (who knows very little, but really likes Peter's qualifying parenthetic characterizations )

edwardofhuncote

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 04:03:09 AM »
I swear Jimmy J posted something about this somewhere on here. Maybe it wasn't headphones, but something about he cranked up the gain on his basses to drive something without something else...

Yeah, I guess that's not very helpful in terms of keyword searching. ;D I'll dig around some later today.

~Gregory (who also loves Peter's parenthetical afterthoughts...)

keith_h

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 04:41:56 AM »
Not sure if this is what you are remembering but at one time Jimmy used to drive a Walter Woods amp directly from his bass.

JimmyJ

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 08:25:41 AM »
Who said what again?  Ha!  Edwin, I only know enough about electronics to get myself into trouble ... but I believe Elwood is correct in that the issue here is an impedance mismatch. 

My understanding is that the output impedance of any piece of gear wants to see an equal or greater input impedance of the next piece in the chain for things to be happy.  And headphones, like speakers, are generally very low impedance so it's very close to shorting the output. 

I've never known the actual output impedance of the Series instruments, and it may vary because of the master volume, trimpots, mono summing resistors, in-line pads, etc.  (Told you I don't know what I'm doing.)

All that said, Greg is recalling a story I told about an LA studio with a terrible RF hum problem.  In that case I plugged a pair of phones into the 1/4" jack, turned up the volume, and walked around the building trying to find the quietest spot.  I run my preamp boards cranked so despite the impedance mismatch there was enough sound available for me to hear the hum.

I have often driven power amps directly from the bass and on a standard bass amps will try going directly into the FX return.  I love that super clean and fast sound.  My Walter Woods is a different thing in that it has a built-in 5-pin jack which powers the bass directly from the amps power supply.  But the audio signal there is padded down and run into the channel inputs...  blah blah blah.


In conclusion...  I think impedance is the winning answer!


Jimmy J 

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2016, 06:15:14 PM »
Yeah, your headphones are too low impedance. Should work with 600 Ohm headphones or greater, but 8 Ohm is too little. Even with higher impedance, you can notice the same issue, but it will be greatly reduced. There's not a headphone amp in the DS-5, this is an auxiliary function.

edwin

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Re: Headphones plugged directly into blue box oddity
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 10:00:10 PM »
Thanks everyone! That does make sense. I have some high impedance cans around here somewhere, but I was really just doing it to troubleshoot some crackling.