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Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« on: August 11, 2016, 06:16:28 PM »
Just thought I'd share this experience. This evening a punter at a gig I was playing a told me after the gig that he was disappointed in me because i'm a black guy and don't know the bass lines for all the reggae records......!!!!!
Since when has it been a requirement of a black bass player playing at a jam session to know every reggae record that has ever been recorded and have the bass line committed to memory? Oh yeah this person also earlier wanted to sing specific songs and didn't even know the words himself nor could he hum the bass line for me to reproduce, so I just accompanied him by playing something that fit with what words he knew and the other musicians played chords to suit.

Thankfully I value my basses more than my desire to show him how far a 34" bass guitar neck can be inserted into the part of the body where the sun doesn't shine. I was armed with my Europa 5 with comfort taper, not that it would have been comfortable for him.
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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 10:27:38 PM »
Well, what the hell:  I'm a white guy and I don't know every line for every country song, maybe we can form some sort of Society of Racially-Challenged Bassists !!

I always thought 'jam session' was a fairly ancient term ( I always favored 'wannabes trying too hard session' ), until more than a few moments as described above made me realize that something indeed needed to be jammed into a handy bodily part. 

As if . . . . . indeed this fool hadn't already shown himself to be a no talent, no class, no respect moron, it is just pitiful to bring race into it.  I totally agree with Smokey Robinson:  I am proof that Motown and all of the emerging black music of the 60's did more to end a lot of racism and segregation in this country than the gov't or anything else ever did.  My mother raised me that we were all the same, and it quickly became self-evident that it was impossible for me to be crazy for Stevie Wonder or Marvin or the Temps and so many more, and somehow not like the 'other' kids I grew up with,  just impossible.  If anything, I felt challenged that as a 'square white boy' would I ever learn the funk, would I have any green-eyed soul, could I really hit it and get it?

Well, I'm still trying !!  Good onya, JV, for not punching that moron, and I feel for ya.  Been there.

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2016, 12:17:39 AM »
Doesn't sound like this chap was qualified to dispense any criticism of your playing Jazzy... I'd just blow it off.

Take it from this Appalachian-American, having seen some real honest-to-goodness racism in my 47 years, one constant I count on is that music is a universal language, albeit with many dialects. It transcends all these little categories the world seems determined to stuff each us into.This guy is obviously illiterate in that sense. Bass on.   8)

ps- I had to look up the English-to-English translation for "punter"...  ;D


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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2016, 01:59:43 AM »
Hey guys thanks for your inputs. I wasn't mad or anything like that, takes far more than that to ruffle my feathers. I don't see any benefit to me from arguing with people who make stupid comments. I was just surprised that anyone would even think that was a rational viewpoint to hold. Incidentally whilst packing the gear away I found out from the band leader that the guitarist quit at the end of the session last week after a tirade of heckling from the same guy over a period of weeks. The music continues.
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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2016, 06:14:29 AM »
And they try and pretend that racism is on the way out - I bet he voted to leave Europe.


I guess he was just jealous of your ability.


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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2016, 03:32:15 PM »
I took the Dick Grove music course, and something he said in the introduction sorta branded itself on my frontal lobe; "there's nothing wrong with knowing what you're doing. The vast majority of musicians spend all their time trying to hide what they don't know. Fortunately it's easy to spot them: they criticize others for things they cannot do themselves."

That had a profound effect on me, because at the time I heard that it described me to T. Never again though, and that was three decades ago. What I learned from the experience is that heckling or "band ego traumas" are from jealousy, period, and that comes from trying to hide deficiencies.


That's why I have none.  8)


From a practical viewpoint, I've always used humor to deal with hecklers, because here's something hecklers are totally unaware of: the audience WANTS to laugh at them. You'd be surprised how easy it is, because the audience is already on your side. Something like; "I recognize you from when you were here last night. I don't mean your face. But I never forget an ugly shirt." (One of Mark Twain's favorites.)


As far as racism is concerned, I watched a documentary about the discovery in a South African cave of thousands of bodies from a previously unknown hominid species that lived over two million years ago. Consider that everything we knew about that branch of our family tree where we developed the hip-sockets that allowed us to stand upright (not counting drummers, of course), one of the defining characteristics of the distinction "hominid," is based on twenty seven bone fragments, and that'll give you an idea of how amazing this is.


The first thing they did was test DNA, of course, and were able to solve the mystery of: "what happened to the Neanderthals?" Turns out that anthropologists had always assumed Neanderthals (who lived 60-90,000 years ago) were a separate species who were supplanted by Homo sapiens, but they weren't. We absorbed them through interbreeding, along with umpteen other groups, in the usual way (wink, nudge) and now that DNA analysis is so readily available, along with progress in genetic research into inherited traits and behaviors, scientists are able to map the genes for aggressive behaviors to the same genes we got from our Neanderthal kin.


What does this mean? Well, for one thing, melatonin has Jack to do with anything, because the real problem is in the genomes of lunkheads who got a little too much DNA from some Neanderthal lurking near the roots of their particular branch. Two, racism is stupid because it's based on the mistaken belief that anyone could pick their parents, and so far nobody ever has. There's also the fact that the newly-discovered ancestors were so highly evolved that they carried their dead two miles through one of the roughest cave systems ever found, and arranged them in a circle in a "star chamber." They, like Lucy and our other earliest ancestors discovered by the Leakey family, were African. Neanderthals were from Europe.


Anybody who believes humans and Neanderthals never mated hasn't met my cousin Ricky, believe me.






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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2016, 08:07:20 PM »
Two, racism is stupid because it's based on the mistaken belief that anyone could pick their parents, and so far nobody ever has.



It is also stupid because it is based on the mistaken belief that race exists; it is, in fact, fiction.

Peter (who has to get up early and will not now expound on the reasoning - but it's sound.  No race.)

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2016, 09:18:18 PM »
Hi, my name is Bill, I'm Jewish, and I have never played Hava Nagila.  There, I admitted it.

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 12:18:37 AM »
Hi, my name is Tony, I'm Scottish and I've never played Bagpipes...

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 07:05:44 AM »
Hi, I'm Paul, I'm a mutt American transposed from a French Canadian and Czechoslovakian background and I agree with Peter.  I don't understand ignorance.  I have played the Star Spangled Banner.

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 11:20:04 AM »
Hi, My name is Keith, I'm not Polish yet I've played a polka (I'm not Czech either for those polka purists out there  ;D ).

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 01:17:43 PM »
Hi, my name is Peter; I'm a hillbilly of German/Irish/Scottish extraction - but I've worn polka dots.

Peter  (who would, none-the-less, tell Buddy Guy to his face that putting them on a guitar is Just Wrong)
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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2016, 05:30:26 PM »
I would tell Buddy Guy to his face that putting polka dots on a guitar is Just Wrong)

I don't know, Peter; if I picked up a polka dot guitar and could suddenly play like Buddy Guy, I'd be thinking polka dots on a guitar might be pretty okay with me.   ;)

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2016, 05:39:41 PM »
Hi, My name is Kris..I don't have a job  :'( ,
...but I have two Alembics !  :D :D

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Re: Ignorant participants at Jam sessions.
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2016, 10:21:58 PM »
my name is David and i'm a old fat guy, and if the money is good, i'll work it up



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