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jazzyvee

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Optimal output from alembic basses?
« on: June 15, 2016, 11:47:06 AM »
I notice on both my Mesa boogie Walkabout and my Peavey Tour 450 heads  that they don't perform well at low volumes or where the input signal to it from my basses are low, whereas my rack setup with F1-x and QSC amp seems to have a really great sound at all out put levels from my basses, and even at really low volumes there is a lot of energy clarity and punch in the sound. (9/10 times I have the QSC amp on full).


I wonder also if the same is true with basses with pre-amps in, especially alembics as that's what I use. 
Is there an optimum relationship ratio between where I set the Internal trim pots and how high the volume controls are set on the bass before it hits my bass heads for getting the best quality output from the bass?
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 10:24:55 AM »
Hey Jazzyvee,

That's the beauty of our active electronics package - no matter where you set the output trimpots, master volume, or pickup volumes, the TONE and dynamics are unchanged.  But as you have found, what does make a difference is the next piece of gear in the chain and how much level it wants to see for optimal sound. 

As an example, I run my basses set to about maximum output which is almost full line level.  I can drive a power amp straight off the bass to maybe 80% of it's rated output (just an estimate).  For recording I pass this hot level through my REDDI di box which also has a bit of gain and a trim pot.  From there I go into a line-level input or directly into my AD converter at home.

If somebody wants to pass my bass through their preferred preamp, I simply trim my master volume down to the point where the output is what their particular gear wants to see as an input.


So I think my method above might be hitting the REDDI a bit harder than it was meant to be hit.  It has a tube in it and it may be adding a bit of fur to the sound because of the level I'm driving into it...  But I like whatever it's doing.


It takes some experimenting to find the best level for each piece of gear in the chain.  This is also a "signal to noise" thing.  If you have a large amp which you are feeding too weak a signal at the input you would need to turn the volume up so much that the accompanying noise might become a problem.  It seems your Mesa and Peavey's like a hot signal so go ahead and give it to them!  At some point these inputs would probably start clipping and add unwanted distortion (or ... you may like it!).  Once you find the breaking point you can back it off from there and leave yourself some headroom for the widest possible dynamic range and signal to noise ratio.  All the while your bass will be sending it's GIANT TONE at whatever output level you've chosen.


Make sense?
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 11:33:20 AM »
Thanks for your input JJ,I did recall reading somewhere about how you set your levels somewhere in the past but couldn't find it. Just to clarify things, when you say you have your basses set at about maximum is that just the trim pots inside at almost full on, or is all things in other words it trim pots on full, both pickup pre-amp volumes on full and the master volume on full on your series II that you are referring to?

I hope that makes sense.
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 04:14:01 PM »
I would say my bridge pickup trimpots are wide open and the neck pickup trimpots are ... less than wide open.  This is the mono pickup balance I prefer so I set that there.  Then my individual pickup volumes on the front are then wide open and never move.  Master volume I run just a bit below wide open so I have a bit extra headroom if I want to swell a note or something.

Everybody will have different approaches to these details, it's really up to the individual.  This is just the way I do it.
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2016, 05:03:17 PM »
I have so many different Alembic circuits in various basses, I find some are better suited with higher output and others with lower.  No matter what, I never am below 1/2 way on the internal gains, and most of the time I settle at about 3/4 up on those trim pots.  One thing I always insist on is my master gain at 3/4 of the way up when working live. It gives me room to increase volume when I go into a solo, because you know the band never has the courtesy to pull it back for you!

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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 06:22:12 PM »
Great post, thanks for sharing!

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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 09:12:11 AM »
I'm not sure if I've asked this before but if I have i can't find it and sorry.
If turn the trim pots on full inside my series I and II basses then turn the individual pre-amp volume controls to maximum on both basses should the output be the same for both basses when the series II has the master volume on full? Or is the series II designed to have a higher output level with the master volume on full?
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 02:54:47 PM »
Jazzy and All,
Does Alembic have a standard trim pot setting that my Signature Deluxe (AXY56 pups) is set to and enjoys?
I've never opened it up.  To further enhance my sound, should I explore adjusting the trim pot settings?
Or, is fine tuning these settings primarily a SERIES I/II thing?
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 03:07:06 PM »
This might help you.
http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=222.0

You can set either trim pot as you see fit. On my signature basses I have them set at max and I adjust the which I bias during playing with the pan pot.
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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 03:21:00 PM »
Thanks for that link.
I'm gonna bring up the bridge trim a little.

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Re: Optimal output from alembic basses?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 08:24:37 PM »
On my signature I have the bridge trim pot at max and the neck rolled back a bit so I can move between them easily without big differences in volume. Using the trim pots is very useful.
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