Eden vs SWR (input request)

[Rob Rybak (essenceman)]

Hi, I use the same Euphonic Audio cabs as Michael (1x10 & 2x8). I power them with an EA head. The sound is amazing - even the bottom B on my Essence 5. The other huge plus is that it's a very compact rig and really light. I used to use a Redhead, but the EA has a much wider range of sounds, if you can find any of these smaller cabs, it's certainly worth the search.  
Rob

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Hey for all or you EA fans out there, these ACME cabs are highly being compared to the old EA cabs...you know, the ones you can't get anymore.

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Hi All,
 
I received my new Acme Bass Low B2 speaker and Stewart World 1.2 amp last Friday.  My original intent was to use my Alembic F1X and the Stewart Workd 1.2 only but after I played with that combo for a while I decided to throw my Trace Elliot into the mix (now we're talkin).  Anyway, these little speakers (2x10, a 5 midrange and tweeter..there are attenuators on the back for the midrange and tweeter) really put out some awesome rumbling sound.  There is a bit of a break in period to get the cones moving so by Saturday afternoon I was really starting to annoy the neighborhood.  The bottom end is tight,tight,tight.  They're really built for a  
5- string and I only play 4-string basses.  The highs are sweet and really react to the Q's.  They can certainly take the power.  The Stewart delivers 600 watts in bridged mono into 8 ohms.  I hit a B and let it ring out and two pictures fell off the wall, and that was only at about half volume !  I am considering purchasing another but I don't know if I will actually need it.  The guys at Bass Northwest compare this cab to the ole Euphonic Audio cabs everyone raves about. Anyway, the 2x10 cab is 480.00.  The handles aren't so great. They are the same handles that Hartke uses on their 2x10, but the cab is less than 50lbs so it's easy to handle.  
I bought a cover for it for 50.00.  The cover is a bit flimsy and difficult to get on because it goes over the cab horizontally then a strap with velcro goes around the bottom to secure it.  There is a two week trial period and you can return the cab if you don't like it.  That's not gonna happen.  I'm not currently playing bass with my band (I've been relegated to playing rhythm guitar, keys, sax, harmonica) but I have a few sit-in gigs coming up and plan to use only this one cab. I'm confident it will do just fine.
 
Check 'em out at www.acmebass.com
Stoney

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Hey Stoney,
 
Glad to hear you're enjoying your Acme's.  I've had mine for almost a month now and am thoroughly pleased with these guys.  I currently have the 4x10 and the 2x10.  I plan on purchasing another 4x10 to keep at my home Church, and the other 2 I will use as needed at gigs.  I hope to be able to get the F-1X at some point in the near future.  
 
With your current setup, you must be sounding quite awesome right now!!!
 
Mikey/

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Hey Mickey,
 
Yea, so far, so good. The Stewart seems to be dong its job but I've gotta play in some different places to really get the feel.  No question about the speaker though.  
 
What amp/set up are you using?  
 
I've just ordered a 1x10 Acme and I'm entertaining purchasing a EA iAmp 300.  Any thoughts?
 
Stoney

[Glen Mertens (valhallabass)]

I think Eden is in the process of being acquired by U.S. Music Corp. [they market Randall amps, if I recall correctly], so it remains to be seen if the Edens of the future bear any resemblance to the ones referred to above.

[Dave Houck (davehouck)]

That doesn't sound like good news.  I play through a WT-800 and two 210XLT's, a wonderful rig.  I would hate to see something happen to Eden like for instance happened to Tobias basses when that company changed hands.

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Hey Guys,
 
Not only did U.S. Music Corp acquire Eden...but Washburn recently acquired U.S. Music Corp...so essentially, Washburn acquired Eden.  Washburn is officially changing their name to U.S. Music Corp. beg. 1/1/03.  Here is the official announcement:  http://www.usmusiccorp.com/pr/usm.htm
 
Hey Stoney,
 
I initially was using the Eden Navigator Preamp, coupled w/ the Eden WT1000 Amp.  But, as I mentioned in another thread somewhere, the Navigator Preamp has tons of knobs & buttons, and I decided that I'd rather go back to a more basic preamp.  So, I went back to my Ampeg SVTIII Pro.  But since it doesn't have enough power to run the 4x10 Acme, I use the Preamp out of the Ampeg into the Eden WT1000, and the sound was killer.  
 
Unfortunately, at my gig this past Friday, on the last song, the amp started distorting badly at even very low volumes (turns out one channel on the amp is fried).  So, I had to take my Eden back to the dealer (it's only 4 months old).  Since Eden is in still in re-organization mode, he said he will take care of the repair himself and settle the warranty issue with U.S. Music Corp. later once the dust settles.  My Ampeg runs the 2x10 Acme well, but isn't quite enough for the 4x10, so if I have a larger gig before I get the Eden back, I guess I'll have to go back to my SWR Goliath III (which is quite a bit more efficient) and the Ampeg.
 
Ultimately, I am looking to go F1-X and QSC w/ the Acme's.
 
Mikey/

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

The above link was the announcement of Washburn acquiring U.S. Music Corp...this link is the announcement of U.S. Music acquiring Eden:
 
http://www.usmusiccorp.com/pr/eden.htm
 
Mikey/

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Thanks Mickey, hope you get everything straightened out.  
 
I see you're from Rahway NJ.  Ever gone out to see Who's Next?  They're a Who tribute band out of NY. I think their next gig is March 1st (Roger Daltrey birthday bash) Check em out at  
 
http://www.whosnexttribute.com
 
Their bassist doesn't play an Alembic but he's very good. I sat in with them a while back. Check out the Americares story in their archives.
 
Stoney

[Dave Houck (davehouck)]

Thanks for the link Michael.  I read the article; it states that David Nordschow will remain as director of research and development.  But I still just don't know what to think.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Thanks again.

[Derwin Moss (bassdude63)]

I recently bought a G-K 1001RB 2-10 combo amp to use on small to medium-sized gigs. I've always had very good results with G-K's amps. I also own a G-K 2000RB that I run through either an SWR Goliath Sr. 6-10 or a Golaith-III 4-10 and a G-K 400RB-III that I use at home. I know a lot of players would rather use an all- tube or tube/solid state hybrid amp setup, but believe me, G-K amps are some of the warmest sounding solid state amps I've heard. They sound great and are very reliable. Very interesting news regarding Eden.

[Joey Wilson (bigredbass)]

Let's see now . . . there's no SWR at SWR, there's no Tobias or Steinberger at MusicYo!, not a trace at TraceElliot, and Eden is getting Washburned !  My hat's off to the Wickershams, the Peaveys, the Randall Smiths, the Bob Galliens, and all of the other folks with enough guts to stick it out because they knew no one else could be true to their own vision.
 
I've come to the point I virtually refuse to buy any gear made by any company that is not owned and operated by the original owners.

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

I whole-heartedly agree...let's give these true Pioneers a hand!!!
 
Hey Stoney,
I haven't yet had the opportunity to hear Who's Next, but I have heard of them.  The Americares is a great story...it sounds like you and your Alembic put on a great show that night...Very Nice!!!
 
Mikey/

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Yea, we had a blast. Unfortunately their bassist was impatiently tapping his foot and fingers about half way into Summertime Blues, then the guitarist sheepishly asked him if I could play another.....Anyway, I thik they're doing a Roger Daltrey Birthday show on Mar. 1st. I'm considering going up for the show.
 
Ditto on the applause for the pioneers
 
Stoney