Eden vs SWR (input request)

[Ken W. Smith (dreambass)]

Stoney,  Euphonic is very much still in business in Northern New Jersey.  About 2 years ago they introduced their current series of coaxial cabinets which are very good.  Unfortunately they discontinued the 8 and 10 multi-speaker cabinets when they did.  My personal preference is for the older models but honestly the current ones DO kick ass!  The VL208, my personal favorate, was a 3 way cabinet and had 2-8 lowend drivers, 2-5 mid drivers and a 1 hi-freq horn. 5 drivers, a 3 way crossover and all in a cab about the size of a small 1x12 2 way.  Handles 400 watts, too!  VERY deep sounding.  The VL110, Very nice...I have two of these also, has 1-10 low, 1-5 mid and the 1 horn.  It's tiny and handles 250 watts.  I think you need a pair of these for most gigs.  Check Euphonic on eBay...they often show up.  I would recommend one of each as a killer, portable rig.  I sometimes run all 4 of my cabs with a Mesa 400, which will handle 2 ohm loads, and it's awesome.  TOO loud for most clubs....I use this outdoors. KEN

[Frank Goodrick (yggdrasil)]

Hey Paul-
We love Belgium, especially the lambic beers -one of which I believe is brewed by a namesake of yours- brewed along the Zenne (esp. in Beersel). We have visited Leuven a few times - Domus is/was great, not sure now I think it has been taken over by a larger brouwerie.Fantastic City hall there.  
 
I like the SWR Baby Blue II for clean sound, but not much power.
 
Frank in Toronto
 

[Paul Lindemans (palembic)]

Howdo Frank,
now this IS great! The type of beer you mentioned is indeed one of the oldest beers there exist. The brand Lindemans is indeed made by one of my uncles. One of the jokes I regulary bump into is when I wear my Alembic pin. In formal situation -business etc.- I'm wearing kind of suit and as a small wink to the seriousness of the situation I'm wearing the Alembic pin. Then you have these people coming nearby with puzzled eyes trying to read what' s the pin is about. Some people react: ho...you're in the beer business. Hohoho ... so they see Alembic as Lambic. Other people see the retort (the image of the alembic) on the pin and ask: are you an alchemist.
Of course I say yes and I invent a hole complex story about meeting of the elements by the snake, where the mind rules in achieveing things ...blablabla. Very impressive. You should see those people eyes!!
I live nearby Leuven and truly Domus is a good beer, it's a house beer. I mean: you can only drinlk it in the bar there because they actually make it there.
(See... in an bass-club talking about beer ...ts-ts-ts those Belgians!)
Hope to hear from you soon, you got my mail!
 
Paul

[Derwin C. Moss (bassdude63)]

I've owned an Eden D-XLT410 and I now own an SWR Goliath-III 4-10 cab. I noticed the Eden was a bit warmer sounding. It also seemed to project the sound better than the SWR, I suppose because it has ports on the top and bottom of the cabinet. The main reason I switched to the SWR is it's size and weight; it's just a little easier for me to move by myself. The SWR's  a bit tighter sounding and the design makes it easier to hear myself when I'm on a cramped stage. I also don't get as many turn down your bass complaints from soundmen as I did with the Eden. They're both great sounding and well built. I also own an Ampeg SVT-II Pro tube head and the matching 810E Classic back (& bank) breaking stack. I just can't seem to get the headroom out of my SVT. It really has to be cranked(to eleven?) to achieve the volume to compete with my drummer. The Ampeg 8-10 cabinet really throws the sound out into the audience- it's harder for me to hear myself when I'm forced to stand close to it. It's also very costly to maintain; good tubes are very hard to find and they're expensive. Don't get me wrong-it does sound great, but I'm presently trying to sell it. I guess I've just had better luck with Gallien-Krueger heads than anything else I've owned or tried. Most of the time I use my G-K 2000RB, but on the smaller stages I use my G-K 400RB-III head. It's great that there are so many manufacturers of good quality bass amplification, as everyone has different opinions on what constitutes good bass tone. I don't think you can go wrong between owning an Eden Metro combo or an SWR Redhead combo-they're both excellent amps. Whatever works best for you.  

[Paul Lindemans (palembic)]

Hy Derwin,
 
it's what someone told me and I experienced myself: SWR and EDEN are speakers in a range that is very audible (I don't know if this word is correct american). You hear is very good, Ampeg is more lower and asks for more power I guess.
 
Paul

[David Wyatt (smokin_dave)]

I work at a night club here in town as a sound tech three nights a week and I see alot of different bass rigs and although I play through two Eden 410 XLT's,and love the sound of them very much,I've seen a couple of these cabs being used and they sound incredible.I may get one of these for myself.Light weight and they handle an enormous amount of power.Here's a link.
 
 http://www.acmebass.com/
 
See ya.

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Hey Dave,
 
I just finsihed reading up of these puppies and I must say I'm really intrigued as to their sound w/ the addition of the midrange driver...I can see where this could set it apart from other 4x10's.  I currently use a Golitah II, Goliath III, and a pair of Carvin 18's...not all at once though.  I've been debating on whether to go for another Golitath III or the Eden 410XLT...but since the Acme's are not carried at any dealers...I may take a chance and try them anyway as they do give you a 2-week trial period where you can return them for any reason.  Thanks for the info.
 
Mikey/

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Hey Dave,
 
Based on your last post on this thread, I began researching into the Acme's you mentioned as I was in the market for another cab.  I decided to go for it and just had my Acme's delivered this week.  I got the Low B4 (4x10) and the Low B2 (2x10).  These speakers are absolutely amazing...I love them.  They really reproduce the sound of your instrument nicely...It covers the lower frequencies of my B string beautifully...nice full bottom...very focused...not boomy, and it went right up the frequency range very smoothly, nice mids and smooth highs, not piercing.  The 4x10 alone easily replaces my Goliath III and Carvin 1x18.
 
The nicest part is that when switching from my Alembic to my Tobias to my Tune, etc., I can actually clearly hear the tonal qualities of each instrument.
 
Thanks again for the info...they're definitely a great buy.
 
Mikey/

[Edwin Hurwitz (edwin)]

I have to second the praise for the Acme speakers. I have a B2 that I love. One of the really nice things about it is the cone mid and dome tweeter instead of the ubiquitous Foster horn found on most Eden and SWR cabs. That horn just sounds spitty and nasty to me, but the highs on the Acme are very smooth and clear. They do take a lot of power and I have torn  up my cones using an envelope follower and octaver combination. Once I got that more under control, I have had no further problems. I am looking forward to getting a few more!
 
Edwin

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Most certainly...whenever popping on the G string at loud volumes, I would usually squinch up my face at the rough sound coming from the horn out of my SWR...but with the Acme every high is simply pleasing...no matter what I do.
 
Hey Edwin, I read somewhere on another site a fellow said he was advised by Andy from Acme not to use an octaver with these cabs...did you find this to be the case, or have you found a way to use it without causing any damage.  I rarely use one, and when I do, I only use it to track me on the D & G strings, but I can get away without it if necessary, but am curious as to your findings.
 
Mikey/

[Brian Ceasar (bbe1020)]

I also have heard good input about the ACME cabs, from a club member(ZYALA). He said that his one 2x10 cab gives a full sound; lows, highs, mids, however, he's lacking a bit in the amplifier area at the moment.
 
I recently acquired a pair of EDEN DAVID series cabs; (1) 2x10-XLT (1) 1x15-XLT and I am EXTREMELY pleased with the sound that these cabs provide. I couldn't get as clean and clear a sound from my (2) peavey 2x10's, not to mention the LOW's...
I find the EDEN cabs are warmer, and compliment my series II tone(s).      

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Here's an nifty little web site for cabinet reviews. I just ordered an ACME Low B2 and a Stewart World 1.2 power amp. I'll report sometime soon.
http://www.bgra.net/reviews/cabinet-index.html
 
Stoney

[Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)]

Hey Stoney,
 
I agree...it certainly is a neat site to get some insight/perspectives from various sources.  If you go to http://www.bgra.net/bass-rev.php and scroll down a bit and select one of the links on the left, you can also get reviews on basses, amps, preamps, etc.
 
I would definitely like to hear how you like your Acme and Stewart.  Would you happen to be using the F-1X or F-2B...'cause if you are, I am very interested in how the whole combo works together as I'm seriously considering the F-1X.
 
Mikey/

[Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)]

Hey Mickey,
 
I'll be using my Brown Bass and Custom Essence (sig electronics)with an F-1X, and that's ALL, I hope. Anyway, I'll give you a report after I get done rattling some teeth in the neighborhood.
 
Thanks for the additional link.  I'll check it out.
Stoney

[Daniel Tracey (dannobasso)]

Hello all, The only Edens I've used are at a really good rehearsal place here in Jersey. I wasn't knocked out at all. 2 410's and a upper level Eden Head. Perhaps it was the type of circuts that Eden uses? I've used my custom spoilers (3 sixes, 1 seven fretless) SC deluxe signature and my new custom excel 5 in these rigs. I much prefer the F1X into a crest, carver or even hafler amp into my Epifani T310 cab.  I don't know how available they are in your area but so far they are the best I've used. I've even coupled it with a big ben 18. (I don't bring that one to gigs anymore, too much work) But I really like the Epifani product. Also the owner Nick is a friendly helpful guy who really cares about his customers. Its square ported and rated at 5.3 ohms 600 watts about the size of an  average 210.  I will look at the Stewert amps to see what they're all about. Thanks for the tip.
Danno