F-1X or F-2B?

[Brian Ceasar (bbe1020)]

Anyone playing a series I/II bass regret eliminating their F-1X (effects loop, XLR output) and adding a F-2B? I'm considering, but haven't decided... hmmm  
 
 If I do add the F-2B, and need to mic my cabs, there's always the possibility of the mic's picking up unwanted sound... Not a problem with XLR output... hmmm
 
I have a SF-2 also, but I'll NEVER part with it!!!  

[Michael Palmer (aircooled69)]

Have you thought of running the F 2B into the F 1X? and keeping both?
 
Mike

[Michael Delacerda (dela217)]

Somewhat on this subject, can anyone tell me what the DEEP switch does on an F-1X?  Is it a mid cut?  Does it make it go deeper or is it just a boost for the low end? Either way, what does it actually sound like?
 
I am not really familiar with an F-1X much, but have owned F-2B's for over 20 years.  They do not have the DEEP function on them.  Just curious how the 2 compare.

[Paul Lindemans (palembic)]

Help Michael,  
being an electronic Neanderthaler I thought the F2-B is the stereo thing?  
So you go from Alembic S2 to DS5-R, from DS5-R with both lines (stereo) to F2-B.  
Than I'm confused: do I need 2 Sf-2's, one for each channel on the F2-B (so one for each PU of the S2 guitar) and than to a stereo Power amp?  
I ask this because I'm mounting this intensive saving program (see Senior Management) for a SF-2 (in 2nd hand ***joy***) and a DS5-R. Which I hop to use some time on my SWR SM400.  
Later this year I planned to buy a F1-X and go with the cross-over function to a QSC 1602 Power Amp.  
How can you mix in a F2-B to a F1-X???  
Mind: I'm beginning to learn all this!  
(I just obtained a junior grade in mastering the S2 LOL)  
 
Paul
 
Ooooops ...there are two Michaels here in the meantime. What the heck ...my questions is for both of them, and for Brian of course
 
(Message edited by palembic on January 31, 2003)

[Valentino Villevieille (valvil)]

Paul,  
 
the F2-B is, as you charmingly put it, the stereo thing , a stereo tube preamp. The SF-2 has 2 channels which can be operated independently or in stereo mode, so I guess you only need one; you can also use it as a preamp, but no tubes.
 
Valentino

[Michael Delacerda (dela217)]

I know I am dreaming here, but I think it would be quite nice if the F-2B or the F-1X came equipped with an onboard power supply for the series 1 and 2 instruments.  That would be great.  One rackspace, and no patch cables!  It could be called an F-2b-5R.  Or F-1X.5 maybe?

[Manfred de Rooy (mdrdvp)]

Hi Brian,
 
I'm using both. Well that is, I have both the F-1X and F-2b as well as the SF-2. On stage I prefer the F-1X with the SF-2 in the effectloop.
 
I use my Series I in mono. I'm used the a full range sound behind me. I did use it in stereo once but just because a lot of stages are to small to hear a good mix from both cabs, I prefer the full range through both cabinets. Besides that I really do like the XLR out on the F-1X. No external DI boxes, switches, mics, cables or whatever. Just plug it in to the mixer. Easy, silent and always working. It also has a crossover which can be used with two mono or one stereo amp. But you already know that.
 
This is how it's connected. Bass to DS-5 mono out to F-1X in. Effectloop send to SF-2 channel A in. Channel A patchcable to channel B in. Channel B to effectloop return. SF-2 in mono. Great. The only thing I dislike is the power on/off at the back. But, why use it anyway.
 
For me, the SF-2 plus F-1X are the right combination. I sold my SF-2 last year but bought one back. Most stupid thing to do is sell that little wonder. I bought it when I was using a signature Alembic EVH bass. i didn't know what to expect when connecting the series I. If you ever meet somebody with a smile from ear to ear (or maybe to the back of his head), it's probably me.
 
Michael, the deep switch clears your sound. in the one sheet manual it says it clears a muddy bass sound. The bright switch is what is says. Bright. And I mean bright bright.
 
Paul, try the SF-2 with you SWR first. I had problems with adding the SF-2 to another amp.
My amp was a bit noisy. I never noticed that but when I added the SF-2 I could hear all the noise and hiss that was already in that amp. It all came out. The SF-2 is very silent but if you choose a frequency that's the same as the noise or hiss in your amp you will hear it very loud. It's better to combine with a separate pre-amp and poweramp than a, how do you call these things, everything in one box amp. Or whatever.
Because you live in belgium, have a look at www.hevos.nl I'm using his cabs but he also builds 800 and 1600 W poweramps. The speakers are great by the way. 400W each. A 4x10 can handle 1600W. You don't need it, but you always have a clean sound. He's located in Limburg near Venlo.
 
Manfred
 
 

[Paul Lindemans (palembic)]

Hi Manfred,
 
I'm definitely going to consider the HEVOS power-amps. I found a 2x400W on their site. I think there is one inconvenience however. The Glockenklang 15 I use (the Uno) is 300W by 8 ohm, the Glockenklang 4x10 (the Quattro) is 800W by 8 ohm.
So I guess: the maximum I can use is a 2 x 300W poweramp?
I checked the Glockenklang Bugatti (2 x 300W) but he's way too expensive. The QSC 1602 PL is 2 x 300W and of reasonable price. There are some guys in this board who are using QSC's and they seem to be happy with it.
But I'll use the SF-2 with my SWR first. Logic: I've nothing else to choose from yet (LOL). I'm in the middel of complicated saving programs and discussions with senior management.
 
Paul

[Manfred de Rooy (mdrdvp)]

Hi Paul,
 
I don't know how it handles your combination. What I do know is this. The 400A amp connected to two 300W cabs will give you 275W per channel. In that case 125W per channel will be lost. I don't know how it works with one 300W and one 800W cab. But you can always send him an e-mail. His name is Rob de Vos. info@hevos.nl
One day you should try the cabs. They are light weight and the sound is great. I'll drop you a line when I'm playing in your area so you can try it yourself. I'm not playing in Belgium to often, but it happens sometimes. Dang, I played in Chateau de Jodoigne Souveraine three months ago. Is that somewhere near you?
 
Best,
Manfred

[Paul Lindemans (palembic)]

Yep ...Jodoigne is also called Geldenaken and is near Leuven (20 km?). It's a typical language frontier town. I live Sint-Joris Weert what is also right on top of the language frontier.  
But don't think in terms of nearby. If those Alembicians on the other side of the pond in the Boston area drive 100km to quaff some beers togetherer and jam in a club (and show-off a lot of exotic woods ;-)) I definitely drive that way to hear you play.
If I can of course!  
 
Paul  
 
PS: I guess 90% of those who are reading this are now puzzled about this  language frontier(*!??/?)  but ...hey guys I'm not supposed to give Belgian history here!
 
(Message edited by palembic on February 04, 2003)