Author Topic: Music DVD's (Read 1019 times)

Bradley Young · « **Reply #15 on:** June 17, 2005, 10:51:55 AM »

Nic,

Amazon also does price changes based on user behavior and demographics. It may not just have been a server synchronization issue.

Brad

dadabass2001 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2005, 05:08:44 PM »

Dave,
I got my copy of Young and Fine Live from Audiophile Imports. The sound is quite good, and as I said the only negative is if you want to search for a particukar song, you must calculate the length in from the DVD start and jump to the nearest chapter (factors of ten minutes), then search too find the song start. The cameras turn to the audience between songs so you can recognize where the breaks are. Jaco is his typical incredible self (He finishes Protrait of Tracy with the bass flat on the stage as he kneels behind it and plays harmonics then jumps on it).
It was worth it to me because I never got to see them, other than on the PBS downbeat readers poll winner specials from Soundstage in the mid 70s. That was with Alphonso Johnson. I now have Shadows and Light and the instructional tape, and even a multigeneration VHS copy of Jaco playning in Japan with what appeared to be the Word of Mouth orchestra, including the steel pans player and Toots Thielmans. I'll take any opportunity to watch genius at work.
Mike

David Houck · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2005, 06:52:24 AM »

If you want to search for a particukar song, you must calculate the length in from the DVD start and jump to the nearest chapter (factors of ten minutes), then search to find the song start.

I can not think of a reason why the DVD producer would decide to set it up this way instead of having the chapter markers at the beginning of the songs.

dadabass2001 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:06:02 AM »

I'm guessing expedience in processing from a technician who really didn't care. I immediatly made a little cue sheet to fit inside the case with chapter and time notes for each song. The rarity of the material is the selling point, anyway.

(And I was not making an obscure reference to George Cukor with my inventive spelling of particular above, just rushing around with my brain in neutral.)

Mike

haddimudd · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2005, 12:50:30 PM »

Standalone DVD-Recorders usually set chapter marks every ten minutes for a program you would record from TV or other source. It sounds like the DVD you mention has not been mastered in a software program but was simply recorded as is on such a DVD standalone recorder.

I am surprised to hear you can buy this concert on DVD though. A friend from UK once send me VHS tapes he had of a concert called Young and Fine and I thought it might be the same one, but it wasn't the 8:30 lineup but with Badrena and Acuna on percussions and drums, in Montreux 1976. I went through the hassle to digitize it and burn my own personal DVD from it, with menu and proper chapter marks. I think it is a really great concert from a fantastic period of the band.

Another maybe even greater concert I got recorded from TV actually does feature the 8:30 lineup and was recorded in Germany in 1978 for the popular German concert show Rockpalast. It is longer than the Young & Fine concert I know and contains a lot more songs. I am desperately hoping for this concert to be officially released on DVD some day, since currently many Rockpalast concerts are coming out on DVD, among them Mothers Finest, Level 42, etc. Look out for this one!

Mike, I realized the reversed melody line of Black Market on Zawinul's keyboard. Do you know more about the whys? I always wondered why he would do that?

Joni Mitchell's Shadow and Light concert is Pastorious at his best for sure. I just was so disappointed about the DVD when I realized that too many times the camera cuts or stays away from Jaco when it starts becoming interesting to see him. Aaargh! Of course the rest of the concert is great to see.

Hartmut

sfnic · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2005, 02:46:34 PM »

Brad -

My bad; of course Amazon changes prices. I've seen them change the prices on my wife's books several times. My tale of the server re-sync was to explain the back-and-forth display of the pricing change, over a period of a few minutes. Clearly, Amazon had just changed the price, and the propogation delay across servers was what Dave had observed.

:-)

David Houck · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:02:01 PM »

Mike wrote: you can actually see Joe Z is playing his ARP 2600 wired right for left in the melody to Black Market; and Hartmut wrote: I realized the reversed melody line of Black Market on Zawinul's keyboard. Do you know more about the whys? I always wondered why he would do that?

I just listened to Black Market off the 8:30 CD; what are we talking about here?

dadabass2001 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2005, 07:53:51 PM »

Hartmut,
The DVD is a multiformat (side 1=PAL, side 2=NTSC) Region 0 disc manufactured by Buena Suerte Industrias Musicales, Inc. There are 14 songs listed plus a 1:53 spoken band intro by Wayne Shorter before the 3 encores. The concert was recorded at Offenbach Stadthalle September 29,1978. The producer is listed as Guido Hieronymus.
As I remember from the 70s (I think it might have been a Downbeat article) Joe Z had two ARP 2600s set up in the house, and found out he could reset one for mirror reversal, so he did, just for the experience.
Mike

haddimudd · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2005, 12:22:28 AM »

Dave, in the concert you can see Zawinul play the melody line of black market with one hand and the chords with his other hand on a different keyboard. The keyboard for the melody line (apparently the ARP) plays the high notes on the left side and the low notes towards the right side of the keyboard, thus Zawinul playing downwards (towards the left side) on the keyboard when the melody goes up and vice versa. Very odd to see. Obviously you wouldn't hear any difference on just the CD.

Mike, thanks for the info on the DVD. Sounds interesting enough. I may wanna get that one too.

Hartmut

adriaan · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2005, 02:41:11 AM »

I once heard a band do one of Mingus' cheerful New Orleans style tunes from the Ah-Um album (Pussy Cat Dues?) with the melody turned upside-down. Good fun - and the tune was still good!

David Houck · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2005, 07:58:01 AM »

Thanks! I figured that's what you must have been talking about.