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dannobasso

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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2005, 11:09:43 PM »
I have 2 18 Bag End elf cabs with processor for sale. $600 plus shipping. (or north jersey pick up [Bergen County] )
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2005, 12:28:21 AM »
I agree with Danno.  I don?t use compression with my rig anymore.  I found that it made me a worse bass player.  Without compression I am much more aware of my right hand and pay more attention to the dynamics that I perform.  
 
When performing live it is best to think of your rig as a stage monitor as Danno brings up.  
 
One of the worst things a some bass players do is to use their rig as a sound source for the entire club.  When bass players do that the sound guy has no control over the mix.  You will notice this when you are at a small club and the bass player is using a 8X10 SVT at full throttle.  All you hear is a low rumble with no definition of notes.  
 
I find it best to keep the low frequencies at bay on stage and provide the sound guy with a full range DI.  This gives the control to him/her and keeps that low rumble under control.  And all bass players should know that their instrument sounds much different at a distance.  Low frequencies require distance to be heard.  You may be standing close to your amp and not hearing the lows, but off stage they are screaming.
 
I get people coming up to me after shows wanting to know how I get such a clear tone.  I reckon it?s because I don?t blow the mix out.  Or maybe it's my Alembic bass.

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2005, 07:39:37 AM »
Hear, Hear! The Alembic is such an expressive and accurate instrument, I couldn't justify interfereing with that. Competing with 2 guitars with 4x12's provides challenges.(ear plugs, can't stress that enough people)  I do sound (8 to 15 pc outfit) and have to deal with the band leader giving mix orders when he has no idea what it sounds like on the floor. Very frustrating at times.
 When I gig, a simple out from the f1x with no treatment is what I offer the engineer. My last gig at the Continental inspired a lot of compliments on the bass tone. The engineer knew his stuff and actually mixed! Tonight an epi t310 and f1x-sf2-dtr 2000-plx3402 will be the weapons of choice.
Matt, may your ears never ring and your horns never blow.
Danno

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2005, 08:33:51 AM »
Joey; I picked up a used M2 contoller and two S18E-C cabs.  At first, I couldn't get the sound up very loud before I was hearing distortion, but eventually figured out that the problem was the controller reproducing problems that the reverb unit was causing.  Once I rearranged my signal path, I was able to open it up.
 
And yes, it really works.  I've only had it on one gig so far, so most of my experience has been at home practicing; and I've only had it a few weeks.  I'm running a full range signal into the controller, with the high end going out to a 2x10 and the low end going to one Elf cab.  At home I'm using a Bag End D10X-D, which is the sweetest cab I own.  With the Elf system, the low end is really clean and even.  To me, the difference is amazing when practicing by myself at home.  Playing E major pentatonics from an open E all the way up the neck is very even and seamless.  However, while it is to me a substantial difference, it is, in the overall sound of course, subtle.  On the gig, I took one Elf cab and one Eden 210-XLT.  Usually, I like to take an Acme Low B-2 with the Eden, because the Acme has a much nicer low end than the XLT and the two of them match up well together.  But the Elf made the same difference in the club that it did at home, a nice clear and even tone all up and down the neck.  The guitar player noticed the difference and said that the low end had a much rounder tone, and I can see why he would say that; the quality of the tone is much nicer.
 
The addition of the Elf has changed how I work with my filter and Q switch settings on my bass; and I'm still practicing with finding the tones I want for certain styles.  For instance, one thing I practice a lot is a medium tempo funky groove out of A where I'm trying to get a fat tone with lots of bottom on the low E, G, A, C and D but sill have enough high end to get a nice snap on the A in the second fret of the G string.  It's the same type of tone I use on Chameleon.  After adding the Elf, I couldn't find that tone at first, but I've been working with it and I'm starting to get it back with the benefit of a much nicer low end altogether.  However, on something mellow like Elizabeth Reid, the Elf difference was apparent from the beginning.
 
Recently I'm playing small rooms, and the bass is not going through a PA.  And I'm playing in a trio with a guitar player who has a fairly clean tone.  Matthew wrote above about the bass rig being a stage monitor; but in my case, what the audience is hearing is the bass rig itself, and a lot of bass guitar at that.  So I think in my case the Elf system will make the listening experience of the audience that much better.
 
I hope that gives you some idea; I feel like I'm kinda rambling here .  I did pay a lot more than Danno is asking, so I would recommend shooting an email Danno's way.  Also, since his playing situation is totally different from mine, I'm sure his opinions would be quite valuable.  That 18 does weigh a bit more than the Acme; so part of the cost for me is that I'm carrying around more weight.  And for what I paid, it seems like a lot of money for a subtle difference; but then I'm sure that's what I lot of people think about buying an Alembic !  In short, so far I love it; and I think it's going to be the missing piece of the puzzle for me, a consistently high quality low end.  As far as playing larger rooms with louder bands, I just don't have enough information to know yet.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2005, 12:13:36 PM »
Glad you got your ELF equipment working, Dave.  I've had my M2 and 18E for almost a year, but haven't been playing out much.  Frankly, at home and in rehearsals, the ELF sounds great, but I have plenty of 15s to get an effortless-sounding low end at low/moderate volumes.  I considered selling the ELF rig because I wasn't clear that I needed it.
 
However, when I started playing out more recently, I rolled the ELF along (it's actually no heavier than an ordinary 115 cab).  I've had several gigs with it and here's what I've found it does in public:
 
It does add surprisingly to the clean low end in larger or smaller venues.  It doesn't seem to have a critical mass volume level for its peak performance (sounds same outdoors as in your bedroom).  What's apparent in larger rooms and outdoors is that the sound carries better and farther than with conventional large or small speakers.  Outdoors, a number of people remarked that the deep bass didn't seem to be coming from a point source, but that it kind of surrounded them.  
 
I'm still not 100% convinced I'll be able to keep this rather expensive part of my rig, with my son starting college in the fall (Youch.).  But I can't say anything but good things for the single 18, which is actually very portable compared to, say, a 212.  
 
Now, would somebody PLEASE take Danno up on the great deal he is offering on TWO ELF cabs and the processor?  If I have to sell my ELF stuff, I'd like to get somewhere in the range he's asking for my only one cab plus processor (still a good deal for the market - LOL)!!
 
Bill

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2005, 01:01:18 PM »
Thanks for the report Bill!  And yes, you are right, it really doesn't weigh all that much, just more than my Acme!
 
When the seller shipped the controller to me, he included the wrong AC adaptor, which apparently immediately fried some interior components of the controller without my ever knowing it (never heard or smelled anything).  Long story short, eventually the seller had Bag End repair it and I finally got it all working!

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2005, 01:31:25 PM »
Danno,
Sent you an e-mail about the ELF's
 
Keith

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2005, 06:39:01 PM »
Dave:  I don't recall the detail of what you told us, but I remember being concerned that you had gotten mixed up with the wrong adapter -- Phhtttt!!!
 
I came very close to the same experience with mine - I was lucky enough to have the proper specs for the adapter, brought them and the adapter my seller had told me was correct to Radio Shack and came home with the right adapter.  Glad you got up and running.  Keep us informed on how it fits your sound and needs.
Bill

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2005, 10:15:20 PM »
Hey guys, thanks for the interest and all of the great info. It appears that for my style of playing, I probably don't need a compressor. I'll save the money for now and maybe purchase a DBX 166XL later and use with caution.  
Thanks again,
Dale