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bob

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« on: April 06, 2004, 07:02:21 PM »
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bob

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2004, 07:45:44 PM »
I've been thinking about posting this for a long time, usually deciding that most everyone here knows more than I do anyway... but then I see something like effclef's recent story about his niece having her first lesson, and the whole concept of learning is quite fascinating to me, so here you go.  A while back (more than a year now) there were some comments in another thread about how some people prefer to think in terms of visual images rather than words. While I clearly have a tendency to be long-winded, I really do like non-verbal thinking, and find this to be especially true when it comes to playing music.  Don't get me wrong - I think music theory is very important. I've got quite a collection of books, and have spent a lot of time studying over the years.  But I think it's still fair to say that learning scale patterns - and the quickest possible way to get from notes you hear in your head to fingering positions, almost as a reflex with as little intellectual activity as possible - is an essential skill.  At the same time, when I hear someone tell me, "learn to play a major seventh arpeggio, all up and down the neck, and then learn it in all twelve keys"... well, I just want to go put on a CD or something instead (sorry Dino, nothing personal). I just happen to be lousy at memorizing stuff, though I'm pretty good with patterns and concepts.  So about ten years ago, when I was switching from guitar to bass, I put together this little cheat sheet for myself.  

  (Credit where due: the positions, fingering patterns, and accessible scale modes in each position, are taken from "The Improvisor's Bass Method", by Chuck Sher, though I believe this is all pretty standard stuff. The colors are just those which happened to feel right to me, somewhat limited by the felt tip markers I was able to find, and are not based upon any existing scheme that I know of.)  This should all be pretty self explanatory. But for me, what really helped was extending the pattern across many more strings (this one has a low B and high C).  

  We all know that with equal tuning the pattern has to repeat, though it's pretty hard to visualize with only four strings. But once I see the whole thing, I can tell myself that by learning just one single pattern, I already know how to play eight of the most popular (Western) scales in all twelve keys. Plus, at least in theory, it shouldn't be very difficult to move from a 4 string to a 5 (which turned out to be true).  If you happen to find these interesting enough to look at further, I suggest you download and print the pdf versions below - they look lousy on screen, but print much better than the jpegs above.  (Hmm, can't seem to use the "attach{file}" tag? Or maybe I need to use that "Upload Attachment..." button, but I thought I did this before. If anyone cares, I can try again or just email them)  Just a slightly different way of looking at things; maybe some of you will find it useful. -Bob

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2004, 05:14:36 AM »
very interestring bob, im still in my studying, so you can email me any musical food that you can thanks!  (we all are still learning!) my email is-  :antiquealembicbass0012@msn.com

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2004, 11:46:48 AM »
Love those visuals.......Ever since that Grateful Dead concert in 1968.......
 
Thanks for the concept Bob.
 
Though guitar is my main instrument,  I have been known to pluck away on the low strings upon occasion.... It's very cool when the fretboard starts making sense.  For many years I played from 1st position to 2nd position and on up.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that I viewed the fretboard in sections rather than the whole.  Over the years that has changed to a kind of recognition of the patterns of the entire fretboard.  There's a certain sense of freedom as a result.....Now if I can only figure out what those tuning knobs are for.......

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2004, 09:45:55 PM »
Bob:  Very good way of looking at the patterns.  It is very telling to see how regularly the patterns repeat when you increase the lateral reach (by envisioning more strings).  
 
I also found your comment on moving from 4 string to 5 to be dead-on:   I've been a 4 string player for more years than I care to think, but just started playing around with a 5 string.  Now keep in mind, I am the last person who would be well suited for multiple strings (short fingers).  However, with the addition of one more string laterally, I'm finding I already know how to reach for notes nearly two octaves apart across the fingerboard.  I realized quickly that this relates back to intuitive understanding for scale patterns.  Rather than jumping between positions to get to the notes I want (like on a 4 string), I'm really enjoying looking for (and finding!) my notes within the same position.
 
Hope that made sense...But I'm liking it.  Now I'm struggling with whether my next Alembic will be a brown bass or some kind of 5 string (with the narrowest neck Alembic can make!).
 
Bill

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2004, 06:17:53 AM »
I started playing a 5 last Aug.and it sure makes playing in the key of F a whole lot easier.The 5 has set me free.Great scale chart too.I'll turn some of my students on to this.Thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2004, 06:23:25 AM »
Gosh how do you guys read this?? I can't understand &@^#*&%#

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2004, 06:56:00 AM »
I'm with you, Paul. And I'm not even colour-blind (well, don't ask my wife - she thinks I am). The pictures remind me of Klavarskribo.
 
My 3 1/2 year old son knows a few letters, and he was looking at a beginner's piano book, where they had the top view of the keyboard and the letter for each key. So he was asking what was what, and he was really trying to match the letters to the piano keys. Let's see if he has a lasting interest, and perhaps follow-through on formal music training, unlike his dad :-P

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2004, 06:57:02 AM »
palembic,i dont understand a *&%$##@#$@#^&* thing either! ,(but we gotta 'support' each other.) im gonna figure this #%@!^% out one way or another!  

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2004, 08:08:05 AM »
Bob,
 
Very interesting. If weren't any trouble I would love to get a printable copy of your charts. My email is cdf@theworld.com  
 
Many thanks,
Court

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2004, 08:45:37 AM »
If it's not too much trouble, could I get in line for a printable copy of this too?  E-mail is RFergus1@AOL.coom

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2004, 11:56:41 AM »
PTBO,
 
Put on your stocking....... It'll all become clear!

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2004, 12:04:50 PM »
Oh ...huh ...what are those nice nude thin girls doing between those scales????

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2004, 12:40:37 PM »
The Hully Gully?

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2004, 01:12:25 PM »
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