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dnburgess

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« on: June 18, 2004, 02:49:06 PM »
The Bose amplification thread reminded me of another manufacturer that uses lots of small speaker drivers for bass - Phil Jones Bass.
 
They have cab.s with up to 24 five inch drivers, specifically designed for bass. http://www.philjonesbass.com/Products%20page.htm
 
Has anyone tried PJB products? They look quirky / cool.

palembic

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2004, 02:47:51 AM »
Brother David,  
 
that's a cool site!!  
I love the all-in-1 thing on the bottem of the page!  
Although  ...never HEARD about it.  
 
Paul TBO
 
PS: quite impressive reviews about that Small  thing. BTW: have you seen the price-tag??? The TM 500 Poweramp  has a list price of ...10 000$ ....only for the amp!!! That's almost what I payed for Tweak Peaks  as a whole!!!!!!!!!! I think we just discovered Alembic in amp-land LOL.
 
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alembic76407

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2004, 04:50:27 AM »
how about a wall of 5 bass speakers, the boxes just looked heavy, I wonder what's the price, at least it looks like a real bass amp with lots of power
 
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dnburgess

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2004, 05:59:57 AM »
Dave TLO: List price of the 24 x 5 is $2395. The 16 x 5 is $1595. They weigh 180lbs and 130lbs respectively - so not for the faint hearted. In terms of speaker area they're equivalent to a 6x10 and 4x10.
 
Paul TBO: The tube poweramp looks like a statement product - the MOSFET amps are much cheaper.

bkbass

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2004, 09:00:36 AM »
Forgetting the price and the weight for a second,consider the fact that the relative size of the boxes is more or less the same size as it's cheaper full size speaker counter parts.Ah... one cannot cheat the law of physics.Also recall that Hartke had a 4x5 that flopped,Bag End(two and a half lifetimes ago)had a PA box with either 16 or 32 5s @ 970 watts rating and they dropped it from their line.SWR has now moved it's 8x8into custom order only.Ampeg dropped it's 8x8 and 6.5x8 also,as well as carlsboro(4x8)etc.etc.Anyone call up Ashdown lately and ask them if their 4x8 cab is still in production or how well they're selling?I think if any one company was going to introduce anything this radical Ampeg would have taken a shot at this arena and has more than met the challenge already.Outside of the three way cabs out there now,does one really need speakers this small?If so why not add a Bose system(801's,402's)or BagEnd's or Peavey's 2x6.5+horn to brighten up their sound.Philip Jones makes sense with increased motor area but since the bass comes from the back of the speaker not the front this is probly the reason for such a large box in relation to the speaker size.Dan Armstrong had a short dance with cerwin vega using tens in a suitcasecabinet that didn't take off either.We as bass players can't cheat the laws of physics however Bag End comes close with their Infra Sub and their small single 15(I don't want to sound like a commercial)The Ampeg Porta bass series is another great example of permissable cheating.As far as physics go,a single large driver moves a greater quantity(quarts of air)than multiple smaller drivers ie:a 10 has 55 of surface area a 15 has 130 surface area so almost 3x10= 1x15 etc.Obviously there are sonic differences and their respective trade off's.Sorry Phil great concept and I'm curious to hear them but the size and price is holding me back as I can't see any discernable net advantage to that over which is currently commerically available.

alembic76407

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2004, 05:59:18 AM »
Did anyone check out the price and the weight of that Phil Jones Bass Tube amp, it has 4 power tubes for 600 watts, weight 110lbs and cost $9995.00, thats one heck of an amp, but I would like to play one with all the 5s just to see for myself, but somebody else would have to bring it in and set it up for me.  
 
David T
 
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