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« on: October 09, 2004, 08:08:24 AM »
LOL! Sorry for the overly-dramatic title block. This thread is for all of you that ride or are thinking about riding a MOTORCYCLE.  
 
If you're interested, please read on...it may just save your life.  
 
Last Sunday (10/3), I just completed the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) Experienced (i.,e advanced) Rider Course (ERC). I had wanted to do so for years, but either procrastinated or was not fast enough to register as the classes are small and fill extremely fast. If you ride, you need to take this course!  
 
I have been riding safely for nearly twenty years, have logged many, many road miles, and have taught about a dozen friends how to ride and helped them get their MC license endorsements. Regardless, an old dog can still learn new tricks. I particularly was interested in any info or tricks that would increase my personal safety and enjoyment of my chosen sport by incresing my riding skills and prolonging my life and/or bodily integrity (i.e, keping all my arms/legs and my brain/spine intact, LOL!).  
 
They class was awesome and the instructors were not only great riders with tons of trouble-free miles on their scoots (35-plus safe yrs. in the saddle for each), but they were great guys as well. We drew the senior instructor for the site (Middlesex Co. Voc./Tech School campus in Piscataway, NJ...located in Rutgers U. Livingston Campus...across from the Barn where I saw Stevie Ray Vaughan rock the metal rafters in '86!!!) and his riding partner, both current U.S. Marshalls (the professional fugitive/bounty hunters with badges and guns). One was a MC cop in NYC for five years before being stabbed and subsequently forced to retire in the '80's. They were patient and encouraging and they forced me to utilize my skills and my bike to their maximum. I now feel more confident than ever that I will be able to maneuver my bike to the maximum in the hopes of avoiding any obstacle or calamity that awaits me out on the road.  
 
You spend a couple of hours in the morning (it is a full 10:00am to 6;00pm day!) in the classroom learning safety, preparedness and survival skills, then it's out to the riding practice range to practice and hone all aspects of riding skills (excepting high-speed hi-way riding...you are in a parking lot, LOL!). It was amazing to see how many riders, especially those that have many years and miles under their belts, really needed improvement in their basic maneuvering skills! Regardless, of your skill/experience level prior to the course, there wasn't one person (from the best rider of the group to the worst) who didn't have fun and who didn't leave without being a better rider than ever before.  
 
As a bonus, any MSF class is State Certified and given by State-licensed Instructors, so it counts as a Defensive Driving Course and is goood for a 5% discount on your CAR insurance and a TWO-Point Reduction in STATE DMV Points! All for only $75 and a day of your weekend time. Sounds like a great deal to me!  
 
If you're considering learning to ride, call the MSF or go on-line (www.msf.com). For $175, all you need is a valid permit and to be able to balance a bicycle! They give you a motorcycle and protective gear and you spend 4 hours in a class (Fri. night) and two full days out on the riding range (Sat and Sun). When you are done, if you pass the riding test, you leave with a validated MC license! You also get the insurance and point-reduction benefits. How can you beat that?  
 
I enjoyed this class so much, I've decided to apply to be a MSF NJ State-Licensed Motorcycle Instructor! I was actually surprised that my skills were good enough and that almost all the info and wisdom I passed in prior years to my 'students was correct! I'm all for anything that prolongs my enjoyment of cycling and keeps my skills sharp in order to prolong my life! In addtion, I can share my passion for riding with others in order to keep them safe and hopefully convert many others who would otherwise be too afraid to try to learn how to ride. I figure it's my way to give back to the sport that I love that has truly enriched my life. I simply cannot imagine my life without being able to swing a leg over my Harley and I hope to keep that alive for as long as I am alive, God willing.  
 
Moral Of The Story: If you ride, take the course and learn how to be a better, safer rider!. If you don't ride, but think you wanna learn, take the course. It is the only way to go. If it turns out that riding isn't for you (or that you shouldn't be riding at all....MC riding is NOT for everyone!), learn in the safest possible environment and for the least amount of financial outlay! The people I taught in the past were very lucky: I had half a clue on how to ride safe. The rest of you are at the mercy of a friend of a friend or Uncle Barney who rides to teach you how to survive on the street. Would you let someone of dubious skills pack your parachute and teach you how to skydive? I thought not....don't do the same when learning to ride a unprotected steel missile down America's dangerous roads!  
 
OK, I'm done: time to climb off the soapbox now, LOL! Who knows...if you're in the Garbage, er, um, Garden State and you wanna  learn to ride in the appreciable future, you may end up with an Alembic Playing, Harley-riding, Grateful Dead-loving MC instructor. Don't forget to say hello, LOL!  
 
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2004, 10:10:31 PM »
Hey Kevin,
 
Great words of encouragment.  I've always wondered myself if it would be worth it to take the course.  I've been riding for about 17 some odd years now too.  I might have to give it a shot.  It's always great to get another rider's perspective on things.
On this same topic; I've got a great book for you and anyone that's interested in motorcycles, nature and self preservation.  It's called Ghost Rider-Travels On The Healing Road.  It's written by Neil Peart, the drummer from Rush.  Back in the late 90's he lost his 19 year old daughter in a car crash and then 10mos later, loses his wife to cancer.  Contemplating ending his own life, he hopped on his BMW and travelled 55,000 miles in 14 months trying to find a reason to live.  He chronicles his travels through the Northwest Territory of Canada into Alaska,  Then down the Pacific coastline into Mexico.  I'm only about half way through it but man is it heart-wrenching.  But in another way very inspiring too.  A great read for everyone.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the riding course!!!!!
 
Peace,
Dino

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2004, 03:12:27 AM »
Hoi Brother Paul the fake one (aka Dino),
 
that book really interest me!
I am not a motordriver but I Love travel stories especially when they involve travels to the inner self.
Can you give me an ISBN number of that book?
 
 
Paul the bad one
 
 
PS: when are you touring Europe???

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2004, 05:44:05 AM »
Dino: You're welcome. The course is absolutely recommended. You can't lose! For $75 you get an insurance discount, a points reduction, new skills to add to your bag of riding tricks, you have fun (!), you meet new friends and potential riding partners, and maybe take it further (i.e., by becoming an instructor), etc. No matter how long you've been riding, you will take something positive away from this course. Even my roomate, who's a 'RUBie biker and is a pro car racer, got something out of it. He said to me while we were riding yetsterday that he's never ridden better since he took tht course. High praise indeed from him...he doesn't praise much of anything, LOL! And I taught his *ss how to ride and got him through the DMV licensing test, LOL!
 
For me, this course was a bit of an epiphany. Bikes are my true passion and I've always been a wanna be teacher. My ex-wife discouraged me from become a college professor when prospects for a degreed Electrical Engineer weren't so good, so I never persued that avenue. As stated before, I've taught many people how to ride safely, so I figured now it was time to combine the thing(s) that I love with the things I've always wanted to do. Hopefully, it'll work out for me.
 
BTW, a great way to start even before you take the course is to pick up the How To Ride Like A Pro by Jerry Motorman Palladino for $29.95 on DVD. It's available on his website or at www.whitehorsepress.com. Highly Recommended! Jerry is an ex-Motor Officer (He's married to the hot blonde that writes a column in one of those freebie monthly biker rags...Full Throttle Magazine...Dr. Barbara? I can't remember exactly.) that was an instructor. The things he can do in close quarters on any bike (he demonsrates with Harley's but goes bigger, much bigger, LOL!) will amaze you...and he aims to teach you how to do it as well!  
 
After Seeing Rush this summer on their 30th Anniv. Tour I went on their site and read about Neil Peart's books (there's more than one). I had all intentions of buying it, and then forgot. I must make it part of my to do list. I had no prior clue that Peart was a biker and that he had gone through all that hardship. I just thought he never smiled anyway, LOL! J/K. From personal experience I know that a bike takes you to a place spriritually that is great therapy for life's trials and tribulations. Lord knows I've had my share!
 
Paul TBO: ck out www.rush.com or www.whitehorsepress.com for the info on Ghost Rider you requested. Also, if you're into introspective travel/journey books, White Horse Press has  'em in spades. There's nothing like the solitude of a motorcycle journey to a strange unknown (to you) place to provoke introspection, whether intended or not. They even have Che Guevara's Motorcycle Diaries (yes, Castro's Che'!) from when he tooled around South America on a Norton in '51 and 51'. Ck it out and enjoy! We might make a biker out of you yet!
 
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2004, 06:28:54 AM »
Yep ...my daughter (16!!!!!) went to see the movie (The Motorcycle Diary) about that trip of Che and she was highly moved. She claimed that it was a MUST SEE for me!  
 
I think you  don't HAVE to be a motorcycle driver to get that experience. I am of the hiking type! I admire bikers but I don't know if it is something for me. But given the fact that my long thought lost brother from Greece likes it ...well ...maybe I should try it once.  
Rats ...than I got another addiction but according to Mica Harleys and Alembics are giving a good match!!!  
 
Many thanks on the books info!  
 
Paul the bad one
 
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2004, 06:46:31 AM »
Kevin, I believe that if you join and maintain membership in HRC (Honda Rider's Club), that they will pay $75 annually for you to take an MSF course.  HRC costs about $35 or so a year and includes roadside assistance as well as a few other perks.  It seems that you do have to own a Honda to join, but that represents an awful lot of motorcycle owners.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2004, 07:21:42 AM »
Bob: I actually looked into the HRCA membership. Believe it or not, they don't require Honda ownership, just the $35 beans. I wanted to join because they give you a 10% at Freddie Spencer's High Performance Riding School at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. Being a three-time Grand Prix Motorcycle World Champion, Freddie has a big *ss and charges A LOT, so the discount versus the membership fee is certainly worth it, LOL!.
 
I am a Lifetime HOG (Harley Owner's Group) member, and I think they'll reimberse me as well for my course fee (I have the form and have filled it out already). I am also a Lifetime AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) Member, but I don't remember them offering a rebate on MSF courses. As the premier Right-To-Ride motorcycling groups, they really should!
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2004, 07:24:48 AM »
Man,
Does anyone on this board sleep????  I posted this last night when I got home from a gig.  Woke up this morning to see everyone's post!!!!  Looking at the post times....  
 
Brother Paul, you don't have to be a biker to read this believe me.  In fact Neil seems to be somewhat of an avid hiker too and he chronicles his hikes at each of his stops as well.  
The ISBN# is 1-55022-548-0.  But as Kevin says, the website might be the easiest way.  You never know though, maybe a certain lost brother from Greece might deliver one to your door in the near future.
As far as Europe, I might be there sooner than you think.  Things are changing around here for me and a new opportunity might come around that may require some European travelling!!!  YES!!!!
 
Kevin, I will definately do this.  The season is coming to a close here in New England but I'm going to look into it next season.  Maybe I can talk my brother-in-law/riding partner into it too.  I will probably pick up Neil's other books too as soon as I'm done with this one.  He really is a very good writer.
 
Bob, I heard the same thing from one of my Goldwing riding buddies about Honda offereng that deal.  Sounds like a great deal.  I wonder if H.O.G.(Harley Owner's Group) offers something similar.
 
Peace,
Dino(bptfo)

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2004, 09:39:50 AM »
~Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2004, 10:09:15 AM »
Kevin:
 
PLEASE take pictures when you go to Fast Freddie's school:  I'm trying to visualise a Harley knee-dragging amidst the CB-RRs!!
 
Incidentally, HRCA sponsors the rally in Knoxville every year, short tours around the Smokies, Gatlinburg, etc., and they really DON'T care if you are not riding a Honda.
 
ALL of the MSF courses are MORE than worth the time and money, and with the personal cruise missles available today (R1s, GSXRs, etc.) a great gut check as to what you think you know vs. what you really know.
 
When 'Ghost Rider' came out, there was a terrific ride along/interview in CYCLE WORLD.  By the way, why doesn't Peter Egan have an ALEMBIC guitar?
 
J o e y

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2004, 10:16:36 AM »
Kevin:
 
Congratulations on your application to become a MSF Instructor.  For those of you don't know, friends, to be an MSFI is about equivalent to being an Instructor Pilot in the Service:  You've got to be REALLLLL good.  I can't overstate where Kevin talks about all sorts of well-meaning people teaching you bad habits.  It's aggravating in music, maybe deadly in motorcycling.
 
I'd also like to recommend RIDER magazine:  This is a motor mag for grownups, well written, and covers bikes and attitudes for those of us past our street racing days.  Check It Out!
 
J o e y

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2004, 03:54:06 PM »
Dino: Yes, HOG will re-imburse you for one MSF class per year! ck out www.harley-davidson.com for the real poop.
 
Joey: Thanks much for the props! I truly hope my application is accepted as I certainly exceed all the criteria. My riding skills and safety knowledge are up to par as well. The only thing I'm missing is a sponsorship by an agency such as ABATE or a NJ HOG Chapter (sponsored apps. get first call). I was actually surprised how decent I was riding and how little I really needed to improve. I've got over 45,000mi in saddle time on my current Harley alone, so I guess I learned to throw around that half-ton monster pretty d*mn good, LOL! As a Lifetime AMA Member (since the '80's), I've done a lot of reading on Motorcycle Safety and Street Survival skills. I've had plenty of time to practice what I've read, so I guess the stuff has been seeping in gradually, LOL! As a bonus, NONE of the people I taught to ride have had anything approaching a serious MC accident. I must have imparted some nuggets of wisdom upon them. Either that, or I (and they) have been very lucky, LOL!  
 
Amen about that bad advice! Normally, it's just plain aggravating and/or embarassing when it's wrong. On a bike, it could downright ruin your day for the rest of your life! MSF courses are the only guaranteed way to cut away the BS from the plain truth.  

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2004, 09:53:46 PM »
I took the course in Mass ... I'm always telling people they should take it. I believe in NH it's mandatory. I haven't taken the advanced course but took the new rider's course 6 years ago and thank the stars i did. You wouldn't believe the rider's I've met since who don't even know what counter stearing is! Personally i think it's the smartest $125 I've ever spent! And playing Alembic basses was another very smart choice. (Of course they cost a little more than $125!;-)

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2004, 05:54:27 AM »
Ray: Good on ya! You started the right way. I wish the MSF existed when I got my bike license. Hell, the NJDMV course I took my practical road test on to get my license was a joke! A 90yr-old GrandMa could have passed that riding test with little coaching, LOL! They should make the MSF Begginner's course a requirement in all fifty states! Even before I took my course, I've been telling current riders for years to take the MSF class, and anyone who wants to start learning to ride has been told by me to take the MSF Beginner's class and get their license FIRST and then I will be more than happy to take them out riding with me and teach them some real world stuff.
 
You should strongly consider taking the advanced course. You're never too old to glean something useful from it. They also recommend taking the course at least every other year hence since safety techniques are always advancing and we all need the riding tune-up as well. I hope to become an Instructor: that way I'll be CONSTANTLY improving my riding skills and won't have to worry about signing-up for more courses, LOL!

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2004, 06:18:53 AM »
Joey: As Fast Freddie is sponsored by Honda, I doubt they'll let me take my Harley bagger on the LVIR road course, LOL! It's a shame because my footboards and kickstand are quite nicely beveled now from dragging them through the turns, LOL!  
 
Seriously, I learned to ride on rice rockets, and I love MC road racing as a spectator (My honeymoon was at the US Motorcycle Grand Prix @ Laguna Seca, LOL!), so a road-race style school has always been on my to do list. Back in the day, only Keith Code offered a track school (California Superbike School), and it was too expensive for a college student to afford. Now that I can afford it, I wanna do it. I actually wanna do a bunch of them: Kevin Schwantz's KSSS, Keith Code's, Jason Pridmore's STARS, etc.
 
I figure they can help with high-speed riding skills that the MSF courses (being parking-lot based) cannot. I am just a little apprehensive about folding my 6', 215-220lb. frame on a 400# plastic missile with rearsets and clip-ons after being used to a 1000# two-wheeled barcalounger, LOL! And on a racetrack! At high speeds! Dragging my knees! With other newbies around me! With Freddie and Co. WATCHING and FILMING me!Oh yeah, and also, I gotta squeeze my lard into a one piece roadracing leather with body armor, LOL! That should be some sight! I doubt they have all-black leathers, LOL!
 
Oh, and I left one out: Danny Walker's American Supercamps. Danny is an ex-AMA pro Dirt Tracker (sliding sideways @ 140mph on a mile horsetrack on a Harley with a steel shoe on your left foot!!!) and pro Road Racer. He usually follows the AMA Grand National Dirt Track circus and offers courses for no money (I think $400) with himself and pro racers as instructors. They put you on a Honda XR100 dirt bike and set up a circle track. They teach you how to slide sideways, rear wheel spinning, on these pee-wee bikes (head and elbows UP! LOL!). You get the sensation of an XR750 Harley Racer at speed, but you're only doing 25-30mph while you're out of control. This way, when you hit the ground  (and you WILL hit the ground), you don't get too badly hurt, LOL! This teaches you ULTIMATE bike control, which is applicable to ALL forms of riding!