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tom_z

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« on: November 25, 2005, 11:33:05 AM »
As I know there are a few club members who frequent the LMA, I thought I'd mention that the vast collection of Grateful Dead Soundboard recordings have been removed.
 
I did not see the original announcement, but the word is that the Dead's catalog of live recordings will be made available on a pay-download-burn basis soon.
 
There are still many Grateful Dead audience recordings available on the archive, and SBDs can still currently be obtained on the trading sites.
 
Too bad - it was a very nice, convenient collection of great sounding live recordings.
 
Tom

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 07:22:55 PM »
heres a free one tom
http://bt.etree.org

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 08:09:40 PM »
Yes - it's back to trading, hunting and pecking - snagging what torrents are available at any given time.  
 
gdlive.com and dimeadozen.org also have Grateful Dead Soundboards.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 05:30:51 AM »
That stinks! Now that I finally got an IPOD, they take the freebies away, LOL! Oh well, all good things must come to an end. It was nice to be able to enjoy a stream at work from a show I attended as a teen.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 08:47:20 AM »
Kevin - you need a BitTorrent client. Here's a good free one for just about any common OS:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
 
Then check this out - it should answer any questions you have.
http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
 
TZ

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 08:53:41 AM »
Oops - wrong thread. That's what I get for reading multiple threads at the same time. If the above post seems out of context it's because it was supposed to be posted here - http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/22684.html?1133196591
 
sorry - tz

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 04:52:07 PM »
Tom; these two threads seem to be intertwined!

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 06:32:37 PM »
Yeah, you're right Dave. =) That seems to happen from time to time around here.

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 05:19:37 AM »
Thanks, Tom. I'll give 'er a try.

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2005, 05:55:51 AM »
There is an article in today's New York Times about the removal from the archive.  Apparently, audience tapes can no longer be downloaded as well, but are available for streaming.

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2005, 06:22:56 AM »
Thanks, Dave.  
 
Interesting reading. Anyone who thinks the Dead isn't big business hasn't shopped at their online official store, LOL!
 
Personally, like Gans stated in the article, it's too little too late to cork the flow of this material. The LAMA was a response to the difficulties Deadheads had in trading material. Someone else will find a way to disseminate this material no matter how hard McNally tries to stem the flow.
 
Personally, I think it's ridiculous! They previously allowed unlimited use of any of the stuff until it was formally released by the Dead. Now, even that's not good enough...they're getting greedy now!

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2005, 07:02:46 AM »
Anybody here remember what happened when Harley tried to copyright the sound of the venerable pushrod, aircooled, single-crankpin 45 degree V-Twin? They spent years and millions of dollars and tied up the court system for nothing...you can't copyright a sound!  
 
Same thing when they tried to sue or stop EVERY use of HD trademarks like H-D or HOG. While no one disputes the ownership rights to their property, the reason H-D is the third most recognized brand-name in the world is because it's out there everywhere. Going after every mom and pop business because they used the trademarked name(s)in someway WITHOUT paying a royality may be their right, but it ain't good for public relations! And that isn't, ultimately, good for business!
 
How greedy do you want to be? The law of diminishing returns works here as well...how much do you wanna spend to protect your intellectual rights? You can clearly end-up spending more than you're protecting. Harley is a prime example of that.
 
Relax GD, Inc! You can make freighters full of money and still not p*ss on the Deadheads that are the money lifeline that has supported the Dead juggernaut all these some odd 40yrs and counting!
 
It's amazing, given the Bohemian beginnings, but everyone's gotta eat and the Corporation that is now the Grateful Dead has clearly taken on a life of it's own outside of the band and the music!
 
(Message edited by kmh364 on November 30, 2005)

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2005, 07:35:57 AM »
John Barlow and Phil have made public statements regarding this matter:
 
Barlow -
 
You have no idea how sad I am about this. I fought it hammer and tong, but the drummers had inoperable bricks in their head about it.
 
What's worse is that they now want to remove all Dead music from the Web. They might as easily put a teaspoon of food coloring in a swimming pool and then tell the pool owner to get it back to them.
 
It's like finding out that your brother is a child molester. And then, worse, having everyone then assume that you're a child molester too. I've been called a hypocrite in three languages already.
 
How magnificently counter-productive of them. It's as if the goose who laid the golden egg had decided to commit suicide so that he could get more golden eggs.
 
This is just the beginning of the backlash, I promise you.
 
This is worse than the RIAA suing their customers.
 
Phil -  
 
It was brought to my attention that all of the Grateful Dead shows were
taken down from Archive.org right before Thanksgiving. I was not part of
this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be
pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope
that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it . I
have enjoyed using Archive.org and found it invaluable during the writing of
my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful
Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart
listening to Jerry's poetic guitar and sweet voice.
 
We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our
journey. We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the
music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed
us to play without a net. Your love, trust and patience made it possible
for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off
the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being
respectfully addressed.
- Phil
 
I wonder who is calling the shots.   ????
 
TZ

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2005, 07:59:29 AM »
Thanks Tom!!!  These statements add significantly to the story.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2005, 10:20:49 AM »
Well, remember what happened to Metallica after the Lars Ullrich anti-Napster diatribe. You p*ss off the fans, and you lose! I don't think they ever fully recovered from the anti-Metallica backlash that resulted from their apparent greed.