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crgaston

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2005, 08:59:40 AM »
Also, it is important to realize that a lot of what Jerry is playing doesn't even sound like guitar.  He used to run through a midi pickup and would sound like trumpet, flute, or something entirely different, sometimes blending these with a regular guitar sound.  This can be quite confusing when listening the first few times, especially if you're not expecting it.  Watching will definitely help.

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2005, 09:32:05 AM »
The Pittsburgh show would be July 8, 1990; and since it's a commercial release it is no longer on the archive.

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 09:41:00 AM »
Charles; I've been reading the reviews of the DVD; they're all over the place.  What do you think; is this a recommended buy?

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2005, 11:16:14 AM »
This is an interesting topic. Cary's initial post is a little like saying I don't really get what the fuss is about BB King or I really don't get what the fuss is about John Coltrane. We're all looking for something in music that either moves us on an emotional level, or stops us with it's power, or makes us dance, or lets us escape from ordinary reality, or just something pleasant to mask the noise in our environment. It will be necessarily different for each one of us.
 
That said,  Jerry had a very soulful voice, both instrumentally and vocally. He was also, as Bill pointed out, committed to improvisation. So context played a great role in his musical performances. I saw the Dead many times from the mid-seventies through the mid-nineties and some shows were lame, some were transcendent. The Dead was not unaware of this as Phil states ...Your (the fans) love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground... The magic was very much a live performance phenomenon, as pointed out several times above, and recordings pale in comparison to seeing the Grateful Dead tear it up on stage.  
 
Garcia was a great student of many kinds of music, including all kinds of folk music and from what I understand he played almost constantly. He improvised modally and used arpeggios to create harmonies that were both surprising and incredibly imaginative, and did most of it in real time on the fly with other musicians that were doing the same kind of thing.  
 
Guitar Player magazine did a feature on Jerry in December ? here?s a link:
 
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=4&storycode=11720
 
Near the bottom of the piece are a couple sections that might be of interest ? ?Garcia's Raddest Riff? and ?10 Radiant Garcia Moments? try to answer Cary?s question. Some of my personal favorites are ?My Funny Valentine? from ?Live at Keystone? with Merle Saunders. The work he did with Melvin Seals in The Jerry Garcia Band can also be amazing ? I love ?Don?t Let Go? from ?Jerry Garcia Band,? 1991. I have live recordings of the Grateful Dead, too numerous to mention, that have absolutely amazing passages. Also, Jerry?s  acoustic work with ?Old and In the Way? and with David Grisman and his band are great. He also played on Ornette Coleman?s ?Virgin Beauty,? with interesting results.
 
I guess Jerry?s music ?does it? for you or not, just like any other music. Have fun listening to all of the suggestions everyone is making.
 
Tom =)

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2005, 12:50:26 PM »
Dave, get it.  It's awesome.  The thing I have heard the most complaints about is the psychadelic effects in the second set.  The source for this show is the video feed for the big screens they had at the outdoor shows that tour, so the effects are there, like them or not.  They don't take away from the music, and aren't really disconcerting like the effects in So Far, or whatever the name of the video they released in the 80's was.  Phil is a monster on this one.  It's my favorite Dead video, hands down.

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2005, 01:05:53 PM »
Charles; ok, I've ordered it!!

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2005, 02:35:57 PM »
Lemme know what you think!

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2005, 03:26:32 PM »
>>>>>What is the deal with Jerry Garcia? I have heard his name a million times, but when I listen to the Dead I just don't get it. With guys like Larry Carton, Jan Akkerman, and Eric Johnson around

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2005, 04:00:23 PM »
I know you were just kidding; but just to be technically correct, Coltrane kicked his habit fairly early in his career, around 1957.  While all of his work can probably be said to be great, it can be argued that his best and most important work was done after that time.

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2005, 06:02:06 PM »
Well, after reading all of the above comments about Jerry and the Dead, I'm afraid I'll still have to cast my vote in the  What is the deal with Jerry column. Once, I even told Susan that I hated the Dead and she was still nice enough to sell me a bass! ( at a decent price, I might add!) LOL!!

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2005, 07:22:07 PM »
Well, I never 'got it', either.
 
I have a great appreciation of what the Dead championed as technical innovators for us gearheads.  They spent FORTUNES on traveling PAs and stages that they certainly didn't have to. And I truly admire any band that mostly stayed together that long, and heroically supported their MANY employees and families, again when they didn't have to.
 
I would agree that no one else did what they did, their particular bag.  It just never grabbed me.  
 
J o e y

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2005, 08:05:29 PM »
J o e y - Ah!! Right indeed.  I never got the dead, but THE GEAR!!!!  It's all about the gear.  I have to admit going on the web just to look at old pic of that band just to admire the equipment on stage and the instruments that started it all for us being here.  I get that!
 
I like the comparison between the Dead and a Harley rider.  That's funny!  A friend of mine was making fun of a Harley rider today.   He was saying that it seems that folks who ride Harleys just do it to wear the costume.  I hadn't noticed that before.  I hope I don't offend any bikers here.  I just think that my friend's observation was funny.
 
Michael

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2005, 12:03:26 AM »
I've managed to find some video clips of some of theDead concerts overnight and have just watched one called,  A touch of grey, which is a  video/partly  in which the band members are replaced at times with skeleton puppets of themselves.
Like the song its nice and catchy.
 
Looks like he is playing a tribute shaped guitar but the pickups don't look like alembics.
The search continues :-)
 
Jazzyvee
The sound of Alembic is medicine for the soul!
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_ktwins.html

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2005, 05:03:07 AM »
AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHH!  
 
Not the Is Jerry's guitar an Alembic or is it a Doug Irwin debate starting AGAIN!!!!! LOL! J/K, LOL!
 
I believe that Touch Of Grey was the Dead's only Bilboard Top 100 single, even though I understand that virtually all of their studio albums went platinum. The Dead was never a pop band that appealed to the masses, but had/have masses of followers all over the world (especially in the Woild Of New Joisey, LOL).
 
Getting back to thread: It's all about personal taste...some, like the Dead are an acquired one. Even Mica, who'd been dragged to Dead shows all over the planet as an infant by her parents took a couple of decades to get what the Dead are all about and to appreciate their music. I've personally been hooked since age 13, and the Dead inspired me to start learning to play the guitar at age 14.
 
I also personally appreciate anyone who's proficient on their respective instrument(s), regardless of whether I like their style/genre/idiom, etc.
 
The moral: listen to as much Dead as you can, especially live, and make-up your own mind. It may take considerable time...their many styles are not pop music although they do have some catchy melodies.  
 
Personally, the new release of the Terrapin Station LP in '77 got me to listen, and the Europe '72, Live Dead and Skull F**k (Skull And Roses) LP's hooked me. Live Dead shows cemented the deal! I haven't recovered since, LOL!    
 
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin

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Re: What's the deal with Jerry?
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2005, 05:18:18 AM »
BTW: The Harley uniform is a subject of humor even among the Harley faithful...the ole' real biker's versus the RUBbie/YUPpie/AMEX bikers thing.  
 
It's been said that there are two types of people in this world: Those that own a Harley, and those who want one, LOL!  
 
In my mind, it's simpler and more specific. There are two types of Harley guys: those who own 'em and those who ride 'em, LOL!
 
H*ll, you got guys that have the whole Harley uniform, including stickers on their truck and H-D underwear, but that don't even have a bike! LOL!
 
Now git on your Harley, crank-up the Dead tunes, and hit the road!
 
Cheers,
 
Kevin
 
We now return control of your regularly scheduled program, er, um, thread...Outer Limits out! LOL!