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room037

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« on: December 15, 2005, 07:33:22 AM »
Hi there,
 
I am in process of purchase Hyak guitar.
But it has some troubles.
 
1: Not functioning rear Volume.
When the knob turns on full, the sound is OK.
But volume is not reduced until half, and suddenly cut out over the point.
May be it needs new volume pot.
 
2: Not functioning front filter.
It is functioning like passive tone.
But all 3 position of Q SW are same.
Does this trouble due to Q sw, or another part ?
 
Who knows how can I do about these trouble ?
Please salvage the rare piece.

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 07:45:49 AM »
Have you checked all the connections inside the control cavity?  Are any of the components in the control cavity shorting out against the shielding?  I can't recall, does the Hyak have a stereo jack; and if so are you using a stereo cable?  Have you exercised the pots, turning them back and forth thirty or so times?

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2005, 07:49:02 AM »
Well it isn't an Alembic, so I wouldn't be surprised if it IS a passive tone, and if the switch is for something else than Q ...
 
Hyaks are considered fine instruments - Alembic didn't mind restoring one in recent years, search this forum - though there seems to be some concern about the necks.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2005, 08:06:19 AM »
Wow! Super fast responce !
 
Yes, I checked through DS-5R to mono jack.
Hyak has filter with Q sw for each PU, just like Alembic.
Now the front filter is functioning LIKE passive filter. This is the trouble.
 
I know Robert's Hyak restoring report.
I think the work was done for wood work (build in the truss rod and refinishing work).  
I don't know how about the electronic repair.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2005, 08:26:38 AM »
This is the circuit board.
It was on eBay at Oct. 2005.
The OP amp is assembled direct to the board.
This circuit was cut off from Q sw.
 
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 06:35:46 AM »
I had a very similar problem with one of my Hyaks.  The filter on the neck pickup was acting like a passive tone control.  What it ended up being for me was a cold solder joint on one of them little blue capacitors.  Give those little guys a wiggle and see if they are attached firmly.  It worked for me.
 
I gotta see some pictures of this guitar!!!
 
Michael

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 07:13:46 AM »
Hi Michael,
 
Thank you for your suggestion.
I will ask the technician.
I wish to show the picture, when I get it.
 
Eiji

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2005, 07:19:35 AM »
I had the same problem with both of my Hyaks. Same result cold solder joints fixed them. I just re-soldered the whole circuit on both basses.
 
I second the pictures.
 
Dale

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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2005, 07:46:43 AM »
Thanks Dale,
 
I got the sound The trouble is not so serious.
Re-solderd is best way, that I think too.
I afraided OP amp trouble.
 
Eiji

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2005, 10:15:44 AM »
Hi Eiji,
 
First, let me clear up at any speculation about my Hyak's neck.  Yes, over time, many Hyak instruments had neck problems.  However, I owned five Hyak basses and not one of them had neck problems, so my experience is very positive. Just to be sure though (since I was spending quite a bit of money), at Valentino's suggestion, I decided to go ahead with the truss rod.  The instrument was already apart and the truss rod would ensure no problems in the future.  If you are confident that the guitar you are looking at has a good neck, then I wouldn't worry about needing a truss rod.  If the neck is warped or seems to have other problems, then you might consider adding the truss rod.  Consider changing the size of your strings.  On a neck with a truss rod, you simply make an adjustment.  Without a truss rod, you may experience tonal problems until the neck settles-in.
 
The Hyak you saw restored still has the original electronics and they work great.  In your case I have two suggestions-- have Alembic troubleshoot and fix them, or replace them with similar Alembic electronics.  
 
Hyak electronics function identically to Alembic Series 1 electronics but are self-contained and built more like the electronics in the Alembic Custom Signature basses .  In fact, I think the Custom Signature electronics will drop into your Hyak.  The only thing you will lose is the power supply, but Ron could easily add that circuitry.  Make sure you get the guitar version of the electronics.
 
I guess the most important suggestion I have is to work directly with the Alembic if you decide to purchase the guitar.  Hyak basses are essentially Series I basses in looks and construction.  Since Hyak is no longer in business, the people who know the bass best are at Alembic.  
 
I'm sorry I can't help you troubleshoot the problems you indicated on your guitar.  My electronics knowledge allowed me to make a bunch of power supplies for my Hyaks but nothing more exciting.
 
The Hyak electronics are active, not passive.  I believe the circuitry is asymmetrical.  I've forgotten a bit of terminology.  Again, just think Series I (for operation).  
 
All of the Hyak instruments I have seen (with the exception of one) required a guitar cable with a mono (normal guitar 1/4) plug on one end and a stereo (TRS) 1/4 plug on the other end.  The stereo connector plugged into the instrument and a mono connector plugged into the amp.  If you use a normal mono guitar cord on both ends, the neck pickup will not work.  Only the bridge pickup wold work.  I believe Dela217 could verify this for you.
 
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
 
Rob

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2005, 06:30:20 PM »
Thanks, Bob !
 
I will try to repair.
If it is difficult, I will try optional circuit Alembicised.
 
I always play Alembic basses, and I am interested Alembic related basses (Hyak, BecVar).
I hope to get these basses.
How many build up Hyak basses ?
I love the classical scroll body style!
 
Eiji

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2005, 03:00:47 PM »
yeah, the scroll was pretty cool.  The company made around 200 instruments.

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2005, 08:34:04 AM »
I got latest info. about my Gtr.
Re-soldering was done successfully !
Thanks for your suggestion.
I will get it in the next few days.
 
Eiji

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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2005, 06:26:04 AM »
Great!!

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2005, 07:55:08 AM »
Today I picked up the guitar !
Both filters are fine, and rear volume is wrong.
Original case was gone, It is shrouded by Levy's gig bag.
But I paid about $1600 included new DS-5R.
It's good price, isn't it ?
 
I will post the picture.
The guitar has Koa top and neck.
 
Eiji