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bigredbass

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« on: March 06, 2006, 05:56:04 PM »
I just bought a new bass, a 1982 Yamaha BB5000A.  Since so many of us buy used axes from time to time, thought I'd walk you through my process, maybe save you some problems somewhere down the road.
 
EBay purchase, with a qualification.  Seller lived in Knoxville, and agreed to my stipulation to meet in person and change money/bass face to face.  Buy-It-Now (I did) and had a 100% satisfaction over 50+ deals.  Went for it. Agreed to meet in Harriman, TN, about 120 miles from me, no big deal.  Bought-it-now for $500 w/gig bag (damn, no original brown case w/green fur, oh well . .)  Drop dead mint would be reasonable for $700-800, this was supposed to be 8.5 out of 10.  So I felt I was OK.
 
Drove and met the guy on time, easy trip (all interstate, gorgeous day).  Come to find out he's an old Yamaha nut like me, and a player himself (Demeter/Stewart/Acme rig) so his description was accurate.  I sighted the neck (no twist, too much relief), checked the bridge (too high) and checked the nut and frets (fine). Needed TLC as far as detailing and action, but was clean cosmetically. Neck felt good, weight was fine.  New gig bag.  Of course I took for granted the electronics were OK . . . more about this later.
 
Was tickled to find it, this completed 'the Trio'.  Yamaha made the original BB5000 in the mid80s, probably the first production 5 string (along with Peavey's DynaBass) that those of us who WEREN'T Jimmie Johnson could find (this is way before I ever thought I'd own an ALEMBIC) out in the rest of America.  The neckthru Yamahas were as close as I could get to ALEMBICs in East Texas! They were Fender shaped neckthrus, passive P(3/2) & J pickups, gold and brass hardware, MOP oval inlays (wonder where they got THAT idea?), striped ebony fingerboards, in that aged 'TV White'.  Fives were a new thing then, so it was basically their four string neckthru (BB3000) with five string hardware, same width neck.  In the late 80s this bass was upgraded to active electronics/pickups still in the same bass, the 'A' model in this purchase.  There was a follow-on BB5000AII in the early 90s, the third memeber of the trio:  Modified body shape, WIDE neck (after all the crybabies moaned and moaned about the narrow neck) and the new P/J active setup carried over later in the 4 and 5-string TRBs, as well as this neck width.  I had the 5000 and the 5000AII and this A model would complete the trio, so I went for it as the middle version is REAL rare.
 
Got it home, stripped off the old strings (Markley Will Lee Fives, OK except I don't like taper core strings) and got to work.
 
The brass pickup rings were starting to turn beneath the clearcoat.  Removed them, sanded them down with 1000 grit, followed with 0000 steel wool, followed by a thin coat of VO5 to maintain the shine.  If they start to turn real quickly, I'll repeat the cleaning but shoot a thin layer of aerosol clear poly to seal them.
 
While I had the rings off, I pulled the pickups out (wood screws), cleaned them, and rubbed a thin film of BreakFree across the plastic to get a shine, and a dab of BreakFree on the screw heads to make them nice and black again.  The foam under them was fine and not dried and flaking.
 
The gold bridge was just dull looking, as were the gold keys.  Meguiar's Gold Class liquid wax is great for pulling those old fingerprints, etc., out of plated parts, and one of the few things you can polish gold parts with, if you use just a little and don't work it hard.  Lubed the length screws and the saddle height screws with BreakFree (just a LITTLE).  Vo5'd the clean parts to maintain the shine.
 
Then I taped off the fingerboard leaving only the frets exposed, using the 3M Easy Release blue tape you can get a Lowe's.  The frets were in good shape, just dull and need of a good cleaning.  Buffed them down with a 600 grit sanding sponge, went back over them with 0000 steel wool, they looked and felt great.  Stripped off the tape, then steelwooled the fingerboard.  Vacuumed up all the steel wool fuzzies, and put down a layer of lemon oil and let it sit for 45 minutes.  Not surprisingly, it drank up virtually all of it, not uncommon for a 20 year old bass.  And the frets were all seated properly.
 
I then waxed the whole bass with Meguiar's, and it looked great.  So I was through detailing.
 
I restrung with the old strings as I just wanted to have the tension reapplied to the neck to address the bow I'd seen.  The seller had told me 'it was as low as it'll go, you'll see'.  Well, I knew this was wrong as their was easily enough bow to put a nickel between the strings and the frets in the middle of the neck, and the saddles were jacked WAY up.
 
The truss rod was TIGHT.  Not making that popping sound but I figured it was close to that.
I detuned to almost loose, put a drop of BreakFree on the truss rod nut and tightened it up about half a turn.  A lot of times you can get more compression against loose strings, then tune back up to pitch, but you really have to feel your way through this like defusing a bomb:  Too much, and you're looking at a new truss rod installation, expensive and major surgery I sure did not want to face.
 
This got me in the neighborhood.  The bridge saddle heights were straight line.  A rule layed across the strings touched all five, so I set the height of each string over the last fret at a little under 1/8, this made them match the radius of the fingerboard.  Not their final setup, but another step along the way.
 
By now I'm looking at about 1/16 relief in the middle of the neck, so it's coming my way.  The intonation was close, but I'd wait for new strings (GHS Boomers 45-130) to complete the final last fractions of an inch setup and intonation, and of course OLD strings will never intonate perfectly, so why bother now?  Now I'll let this sit in tune for a day or two to let the neck finish moving.
 
The pickups were straight across as well (consistently wrong logic, eh?) so I settled them at 1/4 clearance (unfretted) on the two halves of the P pickup and 3/16 for the J, again these being generic settings for beginning my final setup/listening tests.  Once my regular strings are installed, I'll finalize the relief, last fret height, bridge saddle heights.  Then I can do my final pickup height adjustments by ear for tone and blend.
 
About the electronics . . . this is why you always buy cheap!  The seller advised I'd probably need a new 9 volt (I'd have done this anyway).  When I opened the battery chamber, the snap connector had corroded to the battery, and had to be cut loose. I had a spare connector and just snapped the bare wires to the terminal so I could hear this thing.  THEN the jack felt funny, and after a day or two it just died.  Oh well. . . so I took it down to Classic Axe, my preferred repair shop down in Music Row, and Greg worked his magic: New connector and battery holder, replacement jack installed, $72.  So now I'm in it for $572, but still cheap for what looks and sounds like a virtually mint, early 80s Yamaha bass.  Even Greg remarked how clean it looked.
 
Brought it home from Classic Axe today.  Next day or two I'll reString with the Boomers, and finalize the setup, the neck hasn't moved at all in six days. So that tells me this is a real stable neck (maple/mahogany stripes, ebony fingerboard) and the two of us should get along great!
 
These TV White Yamahas are sentimental to me, even more so as my wife bought all three for me, my biggest fan.  I'm no collector, I'll play these from time to time to keep them exercised.  And I always hear something new playing the same song on a different axe.  
 
But of course all three are backup quarterbacks to my ALEMBIC.
 
I really prefer to 'handle the merchandise', ESPECIALLY when buying used, because the wheels are turning as to what I'm going to need to do to get it 'just right' after I bring it home.  And I certainly don't want to buy a problem child.  I try to study the current values and buy right, or steal it if I can.  And my tastes run outside the 'Vintage Market' so I skip all of that pricing, fortunately.
 
J o e y

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2006, 06:26:47 PM »
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!...............

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2006, 06:36:10 PM »
WOW...............sounds like someone knows what he's talking about. Can you say luthier. Great job Joey.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2006, 07:16:51 PM »
I've never owned a Yamaha, but living in east Texas myself a very nice but not well known neck thru bass, built in Japan but USA based in Waco Tx I believe was a company named DAION. I;m not sure how old you are but these were sold in the 80's and didn't last long, copyright mumbo jumbo or something killed them. I have 2 that I bought last year but played one for about 10 years in, right up till I got my first Kubicki. Anyway those all held over until I got my ALEMBIC.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2006, 07:42:06 PM »
Daion's have been mentioned several times in the club.  Here is an interesting thread.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2006, 08:23:13 PM »
I bought that Red bass shown in the thread. I have a Natural one too. I als have my mom's Daion Gazelle acoustic. These really are well made instruments. Here are my two.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2006, 08:28:28 PM »
One day I will have one of those Daion Power XX's.  86 the stock electronics and drop in something suitable.  Killer woodworking, and the saucer bevel body edges are just too cool for school.
 
It's never lost on me that the Japanese really pushed bass development in the late 70s and 80s, a time frame AFTER Fender's big-bang birth of the electric bass and preceding the explosion of the scores of boutique bass builders in the 90s.
 
And it's also obvious that the advent of ALEMBIC was a real milestone in their minds.  And the appearance of the basses in the time following ALEMBIC's rise to prominence is no accident. The original Ibanez Musician basses, the SB series Arias, the Daion, and the Yamaha BBs in their neck thru versions were the hot tickets in those
days. and all obviously ALEMBIC-inspired.  Cool West Coast guys had gray market BB2000s, the first PJ production basses I ever saw.  Sting played Musicians, John Taylor flashed his SB1000s all over Duran videos, and Nathan East was every where with his white BB5000.
 
Not to diminish Steinbergers, Spectors, and Pedullas.  These American basses, plus the Japanese, and of course ALEMBIC, coupled with bassists much larger attitude towards trying new things helped to push the bass much further in evolution than electric guitars.  Guitarists seem to STILL be looking for that perfect tube amp and a wiggle stick that won't go out of tune, same as they were in the 50s.  Go figure!
 
On the other hand, I'm really wore out to seeing one more Fender/SVT setup EVERY time I turn on the TV!!
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2006, 08:40:20 PM »
I've never really been a fan of Japanese basses but these are one of the few. The only other Japanese bass I own is an early 80's Studio 8 string. Here is a photo of it and my trusty old 79 MM Sabre. One of only two basses I've ever bought New.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2006, 11:45:23 PM »
My good friend and brother Joey,
 
as you already know we share a lot and the love for Yamaha's too. Though I am a huge fan of the first production run of the TRB P6 and TRB P5 it was you that made me look for these BB5000A's. About two weeks ago an mint black was offered on a Dutch 2nd hand guitar market site in Holland. Not cheapo: about 1800$ inclusive an HH B100 bass amp. I am not into buying anything now but well ...you have awaken my intrests in those basses too!
 
Paul TBO
 
PS: by the way ...I think you got yourself here a to print thread again!

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2006, 12:08:01 AM »
Oh ...and about Daion!
You will not believe this but I met my first Daion on the same moment I met my first Alembic: in a Guitar Player ad!
I kept that small balck and white ad of Alembic for YEARS in my wallet (I would still have it but the wallet was stolen froim me in the Lisboan tramway).  
About Daion: in that that Guitarplayer was also a Daion ad! You saw a very nice picture of a long haired fairy lady sitting on a pebble beach playing a small bodied dark brown beautiful acoustic guitar. The base line was: love at your first Cmaj7.  
I fell in love!!!!
With the guitar Bob, the GUITAR! REALLY ...the guitar!!!!!!
 
Paul the bad one
 
PS: I played my portion of Alembics and I am the happy owner of Bonnie but I never layed my hands on a Daion. Never ever saw one in person.
 
Nonono Bob ...neither on the girl!
 
(Message edited by palembic on March 07, 2006)

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2006, 07:14:20 AM »
Olie;
 
Another Daion person!  I own six of 'em (all guitars).  Two Power Mark XXs, (one of which has  a Rosewood core!  It can be found here):
 
http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/20131.html?1125055834
 
I also own a Power Mark X, an H-555 Headhunter (amazing 335 type) and two Caribous (acoustics). Daions were extremely well crafted instruments.  I brought the one in the pictures up to Alembic. Susan said to make something similar would cost me at least $3000 just for the woodwork!  IMHO, Daion did by far the best job of a production line hippie sandwich style guitar, as invented by Alembic.  I also love the pickups and electronic set up in my Power Mark XX.  The split coil feature is the most usable I've ever encountered.
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2006, 07:18:14 AM »
Paul:
 
Is this her?:
 

 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2006, 07:22:57 AM »
I agree they are very good instruments. My Gazelle acoustic is my main acoustic that I play. It has a great sound through the PA so the electronics must be pretty good. The natural Bass I have I just purchased a few months ago but was to replace the one I had sold a few years before that I got in the mid 80's. I tried to buy a 6 string on ebay a few weeks ago for my daughter but got out bid.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2006, 07:52:48 AM »
***drooooo-ool****

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2006, 03:51:13 PM »
Joey
I know I'm not the first to ask this but how about a picture or two of the Big Red Bass.  I'd like to see the Yamahas also.
 
Sam