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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2006, 01:41:28 AM »
Bill:
 
Correct, I do not indulge in cannabis. And much like you, I don't like governments patronizing the population. And I agree: governments do appear to tell a lot of lies.
 
What I am observing is that in my country you see some people driving their car with an unmistakable cannabis-enhanced cigarette burning. It's too easy to guess the demographics for these members of the general public, but what CAN they be thinking?
 
I'm all for legalizing what benefits can be gained from cannabis use, but never at the expense of letting the public think cannabis, alcohol and tobacco are similar stimulants.
 
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2006, 02:03:02 AM »
A UK Home Office study into the affects of cannabis on driving arrived at the conclusion that no matter how stoned on cannabis one becomes, one is still a safer driver than somebody who has consumed just one glass of wine.  This is why it was never publicised.
 
In the UK, there are still people who think drinking and driving is acceptable.  These people are a bigger menace than any drug users, and cause more deaths!
 
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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2006, 04:16:09 AM »
Moderation is an art that not everyone will master.

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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2006, 07:04:21 AM »
Adriaan:
 
you wrote:  I'm all for legalizing what benefits can be gained from cannabis use, but never at the expense of letting the public think cannabis, alcohol and tobacco are similar stimulants.
 
The only one of these that might arguably be called a stimulant is tobacco/nicotine.  Certainly not alcohol which is a depressant.  I agree, proper and truthful information dissemination should not lump cannabis, tobacco and alcohol together.  Tobacco and alcohol are far more dangerous than cannabis.  Nevertheless, responsible use of any substance should be encouraged.
 
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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2006, 07:26:39 AM »
Gentlepersons-
 
In order to keep Dave sane with regrad to this thread, it might be best if we stuck to the original topic.  That had nothing to do with the legalization of various substances, but rather the pros and cons of playing while under the influence of them.

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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2006, 07:44:04 AM »
I agree with Bob, the post was about pros and cons of playing under the influence. I can think only of cons, no pros at all. If one argues that I need it to get into the zone or to calm my nerves, I ask whom are you trying to convince (fool), me or you? This also sounds like a dependency to me.  
I do agree that it is your bussiness of what to do to your own body but you'll never convince me that you can perform your job better under the influence. Would you show up to court to represent a client, or operate on a patient, or operate heavy equipment under the influence?

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2006, 07:52:48 AM »
Bill - I was trying to find a word to cover all three, and 'stimulant' is probably not the right one.
 
Other than that, I respectfully disagree that it would be any safer to be under the influence cannabis than to be under the influence of alcohol, while going out on the road. If it gives you a buzz, you shouldn't be driving a car or operating heavy machinery under its influence. As to medicinal use: most pain killers come with the same warning.

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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2006, 08:00:48 AM »
... and sorry for all the diversions ...
 
I totally agree with mpisanek's point about professionalism.

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2006, 08:16:04 AM »
I certainly agree that one shouldn't drive or engage in any other critical activity while under the influence of anything that impairs performance.  The fact is that numerous scientific studies from the U.S., Great Britian, and Australia, among others, have consistently found  that cannabis does not impair driving nearly as negatively as alcohol.  Every credible study I'm aware of that has looked at this issue has come to the same conclusion.  I cannot ignore science in the pursuit of morality.
 
As for use of mood enhancers in non-critical situations?  If someone wants to, and nobody gets hurt, why not?  With all due respect, I'm not going to get stoned or drunk and run over anyone with my Alembic.  Not everything works for everyone.  Have I experienced musicians whose playing went downhill upon ingestion of some substance or other? Absolutely! (Though, mostly the debilitating substance has been alcohol).  Have I experienced musicians for whom the ingestion of such substances had no negative effect on playing?  Absolutely!  To each his or her own.
 
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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2006, 10:32:29 AM »
?stimulating? discussion, cough arg wheez
 
My guitar player was fond of ?between-set attitude adjustments?, usually with benign effects. One night, we?re back and into the first song in the last set after ?just a brief sojourn to the parking lot? and he?s soon wandering around the stage checking his gear and looking at first bemused, annoyed and then spiraling to critical mass. While he?s doing this, he?s half-assed playing his parts and forgetting that he?s supposed to be singing, too. I make my way over and ask him what?s up, he tells me his sound is ?!@#$%^ up?. Well, yeah. I know it, the crowd knows it, the owner knows, geez even the drummer has figured that out. So I take a quick look around his set up and then notice something odd. He?s left his wha pedal on from the last song of the previous set. I stomp on it, give him a ?God love ya, you moron, now play!? look. He rolls his eyes, sheepishly mouths ?thank you? and then didn?t miss a lick the rest of the set. I?ve never seen the goober concentrate so hard before - that?s one way to kill a buzz.
What I thought was so funny about this is that he'd mess with everyone else by randomly stomp on your pedals during a gig, pay back is sweet.

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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2006, 12:36:24 PM »
My old guitar player was a firm believer in the between set car visits. It always showed in his playing and not in a positive way.

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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2006, 06:05:30 PM »
So I was playing with this little band at a community center gig every Saturday night:  Grandparents, little kids, everybody.  Food and soft drinks, period.  Well, my drummer and guitar player (as well as half the crowd) would make 'car visits' on every break for a some Smokestack El Ropo and a couple of Buds.  Fried in just a few sets.
 
Well, the guitar player always kept a list of the birthdays in the house, and he'd call the names and we'd play 'Happy Birthday'.  
 
I'd finally had enough, cause their playing just went steadily south as the blood alcohol level arced into ticket range, much less on top of the buzz from the pot.
 
So while they were out in the car I added one more name to the Birthday List:  A new person, none other than Mr. Jack Mehoff.
 
You got it:  After he called each name to be recognized, he called out for Mr. Mehoff . . . over and over and over, just couldn't find him . .  Did he leave?  Somebody go see if Jack Mehoff's in the Mens' Room!  Me and the fidlle player were literally crying we were laughing so hard, the crowd just about lost it, EVERYBODY got it EXCEPT HIM.  Finally, the little light went on after two or three minutes of this, then he gets mad as he thought his bud the drummer did it to him!!
 
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« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2006, 07:15:10 PM »
I've got one for ya'!  
I was playing a gig at a club called Cowboy Country in Van Alstyne, Texas, looks like a scene right out of the movie Road House. Imagine a 150 redneck bubbas full of long necks and tequila. Well our guitar player and lead singer head out to the van for a break and a fight breaks out in the club. The local police show up and a squad car pulls up right behind the two while they are tokin' away. I go outside to let them know the police are on the way, only tooooooo late. The cop has them spread eagle against the van and they just know they're going to the can.  
About that time the cop turn, looks at me and says Olie, is that you, I do a double take and respond with (name deleted to protect the officer) what the heck are you doing up here.
Turns out the cop is an old friend of mine. Well he lets my buddys go and we finish the gig, but not before he makes them dump their stuff and makes me promise to drive home that night.
True story.

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« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2006, 07:51:33 PM »
Food for thought:
 
Without musicians experimenting with mind expansion, there would be no Grateful Dead.
 
Without the Grateful Dead, there would be no Alembic.
 
Without Alembic, we'd all be playing Fenders.
 
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« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2006, 11:45:49 PM »
Hm, if I may add: quite a few victims fallen down that road, too.