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olieoliver

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2006, 12:56:51 PM »
I have another source for getting in the zone but I'll refrain from preachin'.

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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2006, 02:56:54 PM »
Joe,
That is a lesson many never learn.  Good for you learning it early. I have seen and heard musicians in all the above mentioned states and believe me Dave's and Oliver's zones are the most pleasing from this listener's perspective.  I don't mind a wee recreational buzz and I certainly wouldn't be the one to tell someone else how to live.  But in my humble opinion if a musician is going to step on stage as a professional that musician needs to conduct himself or herself in a professional manner.  Stay up for a week if you want after the gig but during the gig one should be focused on the job at hand.
Again, just my opinion.
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2006, 08:24:43 PM »
Scenario.  My doctor comes in and says that its time to remove my left leg.  A few hours later I'm recovering and doing fine.  I look down only to see my left leg is there and my right leg is gone.  I am upset with the doctor until he says, I know that you're paying me very well to do this JOB, but I was a bit nervous because I don't do this surgery every day, so I got drunk, and or high, and took the wrong leg off by accident.    
 
Sure, this sounds a bit far-fetched, but if a town has musician's that can play well and put on a great show(whether sober or not), that doesn't leave much room for karaoke or dj's.  How many of these are in your town?  There are way too many in mine.

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2006, 09:10:23 PM »
Well, I suppose that if you're doing the jam band thing. a little something might work.  On the other hand, I couldn't imagine trying to execute a Rush set down a few brain cells.

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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2006, 12:16:00 AM »
Enhancement.  Expansion.  Awareness.  Spirit. Sensitivity.  Creativity.  Flirting with the Muse.
 
or
 
Sloppy.  Forgetful.  Off Tempo.  Slow.  Foggy. Isolated.
 
A fine line, maybe.  But a line nevertheless.
 
Bill, tgo
 
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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2006, 02:37:19 AM »
Cannabis does not cause intoxication:  it is the least toxic substance on the planet bar none.  Cannabinoids emulate the neuro-transmitter anandamine (meaning happiness!).  The lower parts of the brain that control the autonomous nervous system:  i.e. that keep your body functioning have no receptors for anandamine, thus are unaffected by cannabinoids.
 
Doesn't cause cancer either:  three separate scientific studies show cannabis has anti-cancer properties.
 
Not to mention Webster's 1905 dictionary has no mention of marijuana:
 
 
Sorry, any excuse to spread hard cannabis facts I find irresistable.
 
Mark

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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2006, 09:25:22 AM »
Mark:
 
Right on!
 
By the way, there is a reason why you won't find marijuana in the 1905 Websters.  Up until the mid 1930's, cannabis was usually referred to as cannabis, hemp, or India hemp.  When Harry Anslinger, (new chief of the Bureau of Narcotics - forefather of the DEA), decided to convince the states to outlaw cannabis, he catered to racially based fear and ignorance in the Southwest states against Mexican migrant workers.  He and Randolph Hearst engaged in a campaign of pure false propaganda, spreading reefer madness stories about how these Mexicans smoked the evil narcotic, marihuana, and raped the farmer's daughter, then hacked up the farmer's family with a hatchet, etc.  
It doesn't say much for the intelligence of our species when a natural product that has been scientifically proven to help a myriad of illnesses and has an unlimited number of industial uses - uses that can help save this planet - and is virtually harmless, (1100-1500 people die from aspirin poisoning each year in the U.S.  In the entire recorded history of man, not a single person has ever died from cannabis poisoning.  It is estimated that the fatal dosage level of cannabis would require a person to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole in 15 minutes!), is treated as a pariah by the gov't.  It is nothing short of insane that the U.S. gov't continues to not only jail it's own citizens for possession of this amazing herb, but plays bully to the rest of the world on this issue, threatening other nations, most recently Canada and Mexico, when they try to approach this issue in a more reasonable manner.  Of course, in the U.S., putting humans in cages is a major industry, not to be trifled with.  We're number 1 in both numbers of people in jail, and percentage of population in jail and we're kicking ass - number 2 ain't even close!
 
Like you, Mark, any excuse to spread the truth.
 
Bill, fhtffotmapoi
 
(Former High Times Freedom Fighter of the Month, and proud of it!)

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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2006, 10:24:03 AM »
As I sit here in my hemp cloth shirt I have always been of the opinion it would be better to legalize and regulate pot the same as alcohol (which is actually very toxic). While I haven't smoked it since my early 20's I don't see why others can't make their own choice in the matter.  
 
I have also seen first hand how it can help with AIDS wasting as it helped my younger brothers appetite after he contracted the disease.  
 
Back to the subject at hand, I no longer drink before or during gigs or at rehearsals anymore. I don't feel I play as well and I think it has a moderating effect on the others I'm playing with.  
Now a Sunday afternoon jam is a different story. Break out the beer and we'll have a real good time.  
 
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2006, 10:27:34 AM »
Jeez...
 
For the record, a light (really light) buzz does me a little bit of good - loosens me up, lessens racing mind and other distractions.  But the law of diminishing returns is a harsh consequence.  Too far over the line and I never get back (at least in time not to regret it).
 
Wow.  I guess a few decades in the straight workforce, raising kids (whose experimentation can scare the shXt out of you) and being away from a culture where mind alteration seemed important (Your mind is still your mind, and your chops are your chops, regardless of additives) has totally screwed up my perspective. How could I have forgotten how much being stoned added to my life? (LOL!)
 
Absolutely no offense intended to anyone else in this conversation (seriously).  All I'm trying to share is how much my perspective seems to have changed, and how natural the change has been...
Peace
Bill

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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2006, 02:19:45 PM »
I don't mind people getting a buzz from any poison they like, and I don't mind if I do myself, sometimes.  
 
However, living in a country where cannabis consumption is not at all illegal, I can testify that there are simply too many members of the general public who take cannabis like others would take alcohol, with very similar results.
 
Habit easily becomes addiction, and cannabis is worse than tobacco in the sense that it not only expresses itself as a physical craving.

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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2006, 02:53:11 PM »
I second Adriaan here. Also, the dutch cannabis (nederwiet) is a league of it's own. Often, it is grown in a highly controlled atmosphere (use of artificial fertilizers, 24/7 electric lighting), which leads to extremely high thc-levels, up to 25%. The way some people here in Holland use it, it's like drinking scotch per pint.
 
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2006, 01:29:18 AM »
No to mention that despite the aura of peace & love, criminal elements are heavily involved in the production and distribution of cannabis - yes, in Holland too.

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2006, 02:10:29 AM »
Had a bad experience this past weekend.  Our guitar player who normally drives to gigs, came to the gig with our lead singer.  For this reason he thought he could have a few beers.  By the end of the night the solos were sloppy, the endings were rough, and the overall polish that we had worked so hard to achieve was completely gone.  
 
I certainly don't mind a beer or two on a gig, and I am certainly not one to judge others on what they do or do not drink, but when the whole band suffers from one persons' overindulgence I feel that drinking is quite bad.  
 
Professionalism should be one of the things that we hold in the highest regard, and unprofessionalism should be held in the lowest regard.  Getting drunk and affecting the entire bands performance in a negative way, in my humble opinion, is very unprofessional.
 
In this case there might well be longer lasting effects from having a few beers than just a buzz on the night.

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2006, 02:31:26 AM »
Which also has to do with the front door-back door policy: while buying cannabis up to 5 grams is totally legal, so it can go through the front door, buying large quantities, to supply your 'coffee shop' is illegal, so it has to go through the back door. Growing cannabis also is restricted to a small number of plants (5, IIRC). Result is both the import and industrial growth of cannabis is totally illegal, which is a small step to criminal.  
 
IMHO, Holland would be better off legalizing the whole lot. Some control, payed for by some nice tax will do the rest.

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« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2006, 08:11:39 AM »
Adriaan brings up criminal elements.  Joram has it right.  Legalization, regulation, taxation is the only logical solution.  When alcohol prohibition in the U.S. was repealed, organized crime got out of the beer business.  
 
Bill, tgo