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jazzyvee

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Tic Tac Bass Sound?
« on: July 02, 2006, 04:46:29 AM »
Well, what is it?
I was looking for infomation on Aeolian harps today, (I want one for my garden), and somehow came across something about tic tac bass sound.  
So I thought, hmm sounds interesting and went on a search  and found a fender custom shop bass that is all ready for that tic tac bass sound.  
Lots of references to it but nothing that tells me what it actually is or sounds like.
 
Any one got a clue?
 
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2006, 05:56:23 AM »
IIRC in the 50s and 60s they used baritone guitars to double the double-bass lines on recordings, to add 'tic tac' to the UUMPH.

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2006, 07:11:36 AM »
aaahhh now I see it. So I guess the modern equivalent is like the technique the Bob Marley and the Wailers used on their music by doubling the bass line with the electric guitar to give that distinctive sound.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2006, 11:36:08 AM »
Yep.  Usually it's muted, so the attack is prominent but you don't get an 8-string bass sound.  Joey probably is the one to ask, tic-tac bass being a standard element of the old country sound.  I forget the name of the guy who did tic tac for all the Opry performers, but the guy was absolutely killer on a Danelectro 6-string strung with flats.  JT and I used to listen in stunned disbelief as the guy could play circles around EVERYBODY!
 
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2006, 11:47:00 AM »
I thought it's what you do when the bass player has bad breath!  hehehehehehe
 
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 11:48:52 AM »
If somebody offers you one, it is extremely poor form to refuse!
 
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 10:43:01 AM »
I think you could get a good understanding of the sound by listening to Clint Black's Killin Time. I've seen Hayden Nicholas live playing the opening riff on a 6 string Danelectro, though there are seveal other country recordings where you can hear the sound as well........It's kinda interesting that Fender is promoting the Fender VI NOS bass as already set up for the tic/tac sound I only really remember Jack Bruce playing an original Bass VI in the very early days of Cream.  There were a couple of other British Invasion groups that used them for a time as well.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 10:51:17 AM »
I remeber the TIC-TAC sound all too well. Playing coutry bass in the 70's withy my parents band my dad used always want the tic-rtac sound. The other thing he used to harp on was to play a walking bass line. Especially when we were playing Patsy Cline or Bob Wills.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2006, 03:32:13 PM »
Boy Olie, playing country music in Texas is tough on bass players.  I still play a large amount of country tunes in my current band and the guitar player is always wanting to make sure I play a walking bass line usually on every George Strait, David Allen Coe and other  Texas outlaw band music selections.

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2006, 07:57:40 PM »
The 'tic tac' sound originated in the old days (the 40s and 50s) as the state of the art in recording studios was at the 'wish and a prayer' stage as far as recording bass.  Remeber this predates the introduction of the Precision bass, and an electric bass alone could not reproduce this sound, anyway.  This is what Will Lee means when he talks about the old records that the bass is almost 'implied', as it just wasn't recorded very well with the equipment of the day.
 
The Nashville style operates on the principle that you record fast, and the different instruments draw on a small assortment of sounds and licks, simplified further since all the musicians played with each other all the time as well.  The style is virtually as narrow as blues at this stage.
 
Remember as well that this is the era of the three-minute single and one pass, mono recording.  Giants walked the Earth in those days:  When you hear Patsy's Sweet Dreams, for instance, that's recorded all in one pass, mono, no dubbing over a clam in this track or another:  there ARE no tracks.  
 
Until recently, the Opry staff band STILL played tictac behind the old acts that are still a part of the rotation on Friday and Saturday nights.  Billy Linneman (upright) and Leon Rhodes (on an ancient six-xtring Danelectro) would pump that sound out.  Strangely enough, it works well with bari over upright, not so well with bari over electric bass.  And you use nickel wounds on the  
Dano with a pick.  And, oh yes, you would NOT want to get in a 'cuttin' contest' with Leon !
 
A lot of times on new stuff that sound isn't what it seems:  That bari sound is not hard to get with a Tele or ASAT and a good pitch transposer.  Play the head down in first position on the back pickup, kick an octave-down function in, 86 the original signal and use the effect only, and you're off to the races.  You'll see this live fairly often if it's a band where you're not switching axes.  A lot of guys also use the Jerry Jones Dano-copies, as they're made here and are built to a lot higher spec than the old or re-issue Danos.
 
And of course, you can't have real country music without the Ray Price walking lines.  This was of course a very simplified version of jazz walking lines built on the triads or pentatonic scales, connected by walk-ups and walk-downs.  Intro in front, turn it around at the end, everybody two-step!
 
People often rag on country music.  Like any commercial music, there's a litlle of the sublime and inspired and heartfelt, and a lot of BS.  Ray Charles certainly found the magic in it.  But, country will teach you to say a lot with less, and that's always the great lesson we all need.
 
Plus,(Olie, I KNOW you know this), there's certainly worse places to gig on a Friday night than a great dance hall / BBQ joint / beer garden in the Texas Hill Country, full of good-lookin' cowgirls, a plate of brisket and ribs, and a cold Lone Star, watching everybody two-step.  Ok, boys, 'The Other Woman' in D . . .
 
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2006, 08:11:30 PM »
very cool....

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2006, 11:47:09 PM »
Incidentally . . . I'll tell on myself:
 
Those of you who are my age (51) and grew up in the 60s remember the old sitcom, 'Hogan's Heroes'.  If you automatically hear bass in the mix like me, you'll remember that the theme music
was anchored by a tictac line.  Well, I never knew that's what it was, only the guy was obviously using a pic (and NOT knowing there was an upright on the next mic!).
 
I chased that sound for years wondering how you did it.  Came close in my biamp days:  Real rumble in the low pass with sort of a disemboweled Chris Squire tone on top.  It was kinda, sorta, maybe . . . never had a CLUE till I moved to Nashville and was shown the light, by which time I'd moved on to other tones.
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 11:30:42 AM »
Ray Price was my dad's favorite. I actually liked playing country bass. And I agree Joey, playing a Barn Dance in the hill country, man ain't nuthin' better. Whats really cool about gigging in Texas is you can play just about any kind of music you want and the crowd will usaully love it.
We've played Smash Mouth, Lenny Kravitz and Ernest Tubb all in the same set before.

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 03:29:31 PM »
One of my old bands used to play Pink Floyd and even some AC-DC at the local VFW and with a few walking bass lines here and there folks would be two-steppin'. We told them we were playing country music...(we just didn't say what country.)..By the way...tomorrow July 5 is my birthday (49). I'm a '57 model....

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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 08:06:22 PM »
Happy Birthday tomorrow David.  
Man I've played my share of VFW's, American Legions, Amvets...
Been a while but I remember it well. Those old vets could really put their booze away.
I remember playing an American Legion the night of my 21st B-day. When the vets found out they kept buying me shots of Cuervo. Woke up the next morning feeling like crap, blamed it on the cigarettes so I quit smoking and haven't had one since. That was almost 23 years ago.